do we care about morality or just welfare?

This interesting question by a commenter at jordon’s site:


Here’s a starter - most liberal protestants and post-evangelicals think churches should remain silent when the state legalizes practices Christians have traditionally found morally suspect (e.g. abortion, same-sex marriage, lowered age of sex consent). On the other hand, when the state cuts funding to social assistance programs (which is a moral issue), most liberal protestants and some post-evangelicals think churches should dissent. So what explains the difference? That the first set of issues are only of private concern, but the second set are not? (I disagree that the first set of issues are only of private concern)

I was going to answer this in the comments, but felt that I would get out of hand. I think for me, the answer is the way in which we engage with the issue. I don’t think it is particularly useful for Christians to argue against something simply by asserting it is wrong. Engagement with a moral issue has to have more than that in order to convince and change people. Otherwise, people who disagree justifiably believe that you are trying to impose your morality on them.

Social issues such as welfare, refugees are easier to justify in non-morality language - often because there are other sectors of the community arguing for the same thing. For example, until recently our anti-gambling movement in Victoria was headed by Tim Costello, well-known for the fact that he was a baptist minister. But his primary arguments for the regulation of pokie machines were not that gambling is wrong (although this may be the source of his convictions). Rather, he pointed at the disproportionate impact that problem gambling had on poorer sectors of society, and the fact that gambling operators were targeting people that were more likely to have problems with gambling. Therefore, it became a justice and welfare issue as much as a moral one.

In cases of same sex marriage, abortion or lowered age of consent, there aren’t necessarily examples of how we can argue our beliefs in this area in a manner which does not patronisingly assume that people who disagree with us are less moral or simply wrong. I think that this is where the reticence comes from a lot of less conservative church traditions when deciding whether to weigh into the debate.

However, there are some clear examples of the way that this can be done well. Recently one of our Federal politicians who happens to be catholic gave a speech about his feelings on abortion. Whilst saying that he felt it was wrong, he also pointed to a range of factors about our abortion rate in Australia which should be of concern to those that disagree with him. As a result, it sparked a constructive debate about how the rate of abortions could be reduced in the interests of society.

Similarly the US Government’s pro-marriage programs aimed at increasing marriage rates and increasing healthy families is not based around the idea that living in sin is morally wrong (although I am sure that is part of the motivation). Rather, it is prompted by an understanding that family failure is a crisis for our community. This has been backed by objective data showing that stable married families are better for children’s development.

So perhaps that is part of the challenge of engaging in the world as a christian - we might be prompted to act because we believe something is wrong, but in order to change the opinions of others, we need to show why it is wrong, not just for christians, but for all of us.

7 Responses to “do we care about morality or just welfare?”

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    Nathan Pederson Says:

    I agree with you. Well said.

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    George Says:

    Don’t really understand what you said.
    Should we stand for Truth or is that too imposing on people?

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    Leighton Tebay Says:

    George:
    Show me an example of where Jesus took a stand for Truth as you say against the Roman empire. Is it to imposing to tell people to follow another path which forsakes political power for the power of the gospel?

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    Homer Paxton Says:

    the two go together.
    That is why Methodists founded the British Labor Party and why BIll Temple co-wrote the Full Employment agenda with Beveridge for the Uk Government before they appointed Archbishop of Cantebury.

    It is why the Solidly sound Sydney Anglicans opposed the Iraq war and the Government policies on Refugeees.

    Sometimes we Capital C conservatives become decidely pinkish!

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    George Says:

    Leighton, not really sure I understand your question. Jesus of course stood for Truth because He was Truth.
    He should be our standard in everything we do and say. That’s the challenge, that’s the goal. To give Him all the glory.
    How do we do that in 2004?
    You said:”Is it to imposing to tell people to follow another path which forsakes political power for the power of the gospel?”
    Isn’t that exactly what we should be doing as Christians?

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    Chera Says:

    Well said; we need to know what we stand for and be able to explain why, not just because we think it’s wrong. And “why” moreso in how the issue affects society than because “the Bible says so”, since the Bible is not a figure of authority for everyone. The Bible and our beliefs may be our motivation, but we need to be able to explain our point intelligently to our audience. What comes to mind is how Jesus reacted when he was questioned about paying taxes to Caesar. We should follow his example :)

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    Jon Says:

    I can think of a pragmatic and a principled reason why more liberal churches don’t speak out on traditional “morality” issues. The pragmatic reason is that their members tend to have diverse views on these issues and a public proclaimation pro or con would likely alienate a large chunk of the members, and likely lead to a split.

    The principled reason is that, at a practical level, Christian morality is really only relevant to Christians, who (hopefully) don’t need the government to keep them on the straight and narrow. Non-Christians aren’t any closer to knowing Christ simply because their government discourages them from gambling or being gay. Notice that the Bible doesn’t command Christians to go forth and make everyone obey the Law. What it does command is for Christians to go forth and care for the poor. Christians can do just that by offering political support for government programs that will make the poor less poor.

    Thus, I would actually say that Christians can advocate support for programs aimed at alieviating poverty simply because it is what they are supposed to do as good Christians. However, they ought not advocate policies aimed at imposing Christian morality on society at-large unless they can justify it in secular, pragmatic terms.