Comments on: Leadership - close or distant? http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/ musings from those on the journey Sat, 1 Nov 2008 22:51:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: hamo http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3035 hamo Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3035 I think you are spot on but I'm not sure I can se past my own myopia to see the flaws in he way we do things. Perhaps its the 'seamless life' problem where I am always there because I am not just a 'minister', I am a friend, a person, a fellow human being who ought to be contactable any time. At least the old guys had some firm (rigid?) boundaries. I find the further I go the moe fuzzy mineb become. we went on holidays out of the city to escpae the suburb, the church and the unchurched people we hang out with. And then some of our unchurched friends heard what we were doing and aid 'hey, we'll join you for a few days'... You wouldn't do that to the old guys! BUt for us, the time wasn't right to say 'no' to that request. I think i am dribblingg!... I think you are spot on but I’m not sure I can se past my own myopia to see the flaws in he way we do things.

Perhaps its the ’seamless life’ problem where I am always there because I am not just a ‘minister’, I am a friend, a person, a fellow human being who ought to be contactable any time. At least the old guys had some firm (rigid?) boundaries.

I find the further I go the moe fuzzy mineb become. we went on holidays out of the city to escpae the suburb, the church and the unchurched people we hang out with. And then some of our unchurched friends heard what we were doing and aid ‘hey, we’ll join you for a few days’…

You wouldn’t do that to the old guys! BUt for us, the time wasn’t right to say ‘no’ to that request.

I think i am dribblingg!…

]]> By: Homer Paxton http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3036 Homer Paxton Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3036 can I put this another way. The bible tells us ( the pastorals) that a bishop should be a married man with a reverent wife and disciplined children. We are told of analogy that a man who cannot rule his household cannot rule a church. I take it from this an important concept here is the resolution of conflict. A man who cannot solve conflict in a godly way at home won't do it at church. also A bishop serves the church. If he does that I realy don't care whether he won't to be called by his christian or Surname I know he is a mature christian. can I put this another way.
The bible tells us ( the pastorals) that a bishop should be a married man with a reverent wife and disciplined children. We are told of analogy that a man who cannot rule his household cannot rule a church.
I take it from this an important concept here is the resolution of conflict. A man who cannot solve conflict in a godly way at home won’t do it at church.

also A bishop serves the church.

If he does that I realy don’t care whether he won’t to be called by his christian or Surname I know he is a mature christian.

]]> By: dan http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3037 dan Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3037 I don't quite see how the "rules at home, rules at church" thing is relevant to what phil had said. I don’t quite see how the “rules at home, rules at church” thing is relevant to what phil had said.

]]> By: Homer Paxton http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3038 Homer Paxton Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3038 It is what the bible tells us about Leadership Dan. It is what the bible tells us about Leadership Dan.

]]> By: Nigel http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3039 Nigel Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3039 Yes, and since that is one thing the Bible says about some leaders - how does that specifically apply to the issues Phil was raising? Even if we have a divinly inspired Bible that says clear things about leadershp - it doesn't seem very illuminating if that doesn't shed any light on the real issues we face in the practice of leadership. Yes, and since that is one thing the Bible says about some leaders - how does that specifically apply to the issues Phil was raising?

Even if we have a divinly inspired Bible that says clear things about leadershp - it doesn’t seem very illuminating if that doesn’t shed any light on the real issues we face in the practice of leadership.

]]> By: Homer Paxton http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3040 Homer Paxton Thu, 01 Jan 1970 10:00:00 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2004/07/26/leadership-close-or-distant/#comment-3040 nigel, A bishop is part of the church not seperate. you can only know if they rule in a godly way if you know the person well. I was alluding to the fact both yesteryear and today's leadership have not been selected the biblical way but rather have imitated the professions. nigel,
A bishop is part of the church not seperate.
you can only know if they rule in a godly way if you know the person well.

I was alluding to the fact both yesteryear and today’s leadership have not been selected the biblical way but rather have imitated the professions.

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