Is there a case for the Christian who aligns him/herself with the new IR laws? Or is he/her going against the grain of his religious history?

I had a big conflict with the leader of an old faith community I was part of just at the time of the last federal election.. Their position was that people here are lazy and need to get off their buts… mind you, they also held the position that there was no other option for the government but children in detention… That was another point of conflict… Anyhoo this leaders polictical argument practically insisted that people involved with the community vote for little Jonny… this person is the executive director of an Aid development agency… And I am no longer involved with the community… Who says political issues arent alive and well in the Christian leadership arena?

Why do you believe that the objective of the UN is to setup a world government with complete control over the planet? Is this a stated objective in the charter of the UN?

from a website (opinion) on the issue http://www.rightgrrl.com/carolyn/roe.html

“Justice Harry Blackmun, the author of the majority opinion, stated that the Constitution does not explicitly mention a right to privacy but, “in varying contexts the Court or individual justices have, indeed, found at least the roots of that right.” The right to an abortion was then considered an extension of this privacy right. As Blackmun stated,”This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment’s concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is, or, as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment’s reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman’s decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy.” This decision made it unconstitutional for any state to restrict abortion in most circumstances.*

This “right to privacy” is what our ongoing process of selecting a new supreme court justice is all about. On an interesting note - Justice Blackmun declared the unborn to be ‘not fully human’ - the Supreme court also used that language in the Dred Scott case that kept blacks enslaved prior to the civil war.

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Private citizens should have the right to bear automatic weapons. I’m always surprised that people will demand the disarmament of others, on the grounds that free and law-abiding people are dangerous and should be protected by the Almighty State, yet have clearly missed the fact that the State has been responsible for unparalleled atrocities over the last 100 years. 200-300 million people killed by government, and you guys want to disarm the people?

The State conflicts with Christian beliefs in upholding a national army for Pete’s sake, or in throwing people in prison rather than forgiving them. While it is not “un-Christian” to accept the existence of a state, it is wishful thinking to desire such thing as a “Christian state” governed by “Christian principles”. There cannot be any such thing, due to the very nature of the state and Christianity itself.

Whenever I think of statecraft, I will tend to imagine “what would the UN want me to do?” and then take the exact opposite action. It’s the safest formula for maintaining our liberties and national independence, even if that means taking actions that might seem “immoral”, as a world government with complete control over the planet (precisely the objective of the UN) will be infinitely more “immoral” than anything we have now.

For me it comes out with your gun laws and particularly abortion - if abortion becomes per Roe v Wade a part of the right to privacy then it is difficult to justify restricting it. If the right to bear arms is constitutionally supported, then how do you restrict was sort of arms to bear. Whereas Aust law has the ability to regulate these contentious areas to try and get a middle point (whether or not this has happened successfully is another story).

But it is a fundamental shift in thinking. Another American who comments on this site can’t get his head around the fact that we have compulsory voting at elections where it really doesn’t fuss most Australians.