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	<title>Comments on: Internet argument</title>
	<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/</link>
	<description>musings from those on the journey</description>
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		<title>By: geoff bullock</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-115117</link>
		<dc:creator>geoff bullock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 21:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-115117</guid>
		<description>Absolutely Jane. This was the argument that was continually flung in the face of genuine dissenters</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely Jane. This was the argument that was continually flung in the face of genuine dissenters</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-115087</link>
		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 20:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-115087</guid>
		<description>“Have the leaders actually said point No.1 to you or did they
imply it by their attitude”

Ned, I have had a "senior" pastor say this to me in regards to the other churches he was in network with &#38; was trying to model after.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Have the leaders actually said point No.1 to you or did they<br />
imply it by their attitude”</p>
<p>Ned, I have had a &#8220;senior&#8221; pastor say this to me in regards to the other churches he was in network with &amp; was trying to model after.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114839</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 14:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114839</guid>
		<description>"Have the leaders actually said point No.1 to you or did they
imply it by their attitude"

I have never heard a church leader use the (large) size of a church as a rationale for what their doing being right and blessed, but it's a very common argument used by members of those cults, oops, large churches.

Of course, using that logic, then AFL matches, the Big Day Out, and the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras all have the blessing of God.

However, all it means is that large numbers of people who don't think about things very hard, gather together in one cult/church, instead of being spread through cults/churches across a city.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Have the leaders actually said point No.1 to you or did they<br />
imply it by their attitude&#8221;</p>
<p>I have never heard a church leader use the (large) size of a church as a rationale for what their doing being right and blessed, but it&#8217;s a very common argument used by members of those cults, oops, large churches.</p>
<p>Of course, using that logic, then AFL matches, the Big Day Out, and the Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras all have the blessing of God.</p>
<p>However, all it means is that large numbers of people who don&#8217;t think about things very hard, gather together in one cult/church, instead of being spread through cults/churches across a city.</p>
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		<title>By: ned flanders</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114817</link>
		<dc:creator>ned flanders</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:50:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114817</guid>
		<description>Lance

Have the leaders actually said point No.1 to you or did they
imply it by their attitude</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance</p>
<p>Have the leaders actually said point No.1 to you or did they<br />
imply it by their attitude</p>
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		<title>By: nilmot</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114693</link>
		<dc:creator>nilmot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114693</guid>
		<description>Yeah Lance, your point no.1 is a good one. I have heard that argument used more than a few times at Phil Baker's blog by certain individuals.... It is ridiculous logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah Lance, your point no.1 is a good one. I have heard that argument used more than a few times at Phil Baker&#8217;s blog by certain individuals&#8230;. It is ridiculous logic.</p>
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		<title>By: jane</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114633</link>
		<dc:creator>jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114633</guid>
		<description>Lance, although I agree with Kevin re the swearing (it isn't my cup of tea although I understand the passion / frustration behind it) in regards to your post:

"1. The strength of an argument against a church is inversely proportional to the size of the church. (The larger the church - the weaker the argument, because ‘God must really be blessing this church’).

2. All criticisms of the church can be deflected by the all-purpose statement ‘but no church is perfect’.

3. Undisputed facts backed by mountains of evidence are meaningless if they conflict with a churchgoer’s belief system.

4. If you pull up a churchgoer about their blatant sin, you are an ‘accuser of the brethren’., and therefore considered to be ‘Satan’ for causing division.

5. Speaking the words of Jesus to a churchgoer is meaningless, because ‘you are not Jesus’."
Posted by Lance &#124; 24/11/2005 at 1:26 pm

My response is yes, yes, yes &#38; amen. Well put - especially point no. 1. After all who are you to question such "success?" </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance, although I agree with Kevin re the swearing (it isn&#8217;t my cup of tea although I understand the passion / frustration behind it) in regards to your post:</p>
<p>&#8220;1. The strength of an argument against a church is inversely proportional to the size of the church. (The larger the church - the weaker the argument, because ‘God must really be blessing this church’).</p>
<p>2. All criticisms of the church can be deflected by the all-purpose statement ‘but no church is perfect’.</p>
<p>3. Undisputed facts backed by mountains of evidence are meaningless if they conflict with a churchgoer’s belief system.</p>
<p>4. If you pull up a churchgoer about their blatant sin, you are an ‘accuser of the brethren’., and therefore considered to be ‘Satan’ for causing division.</p>
<p>5. Speaking the words of Jesus to a churchgoer is meaningless, because ‘you are not Jesus’.&#8221;<br />
Posted by Lance | 24/11/2005 at 1:26 pm</p>
<p>My response is yes, yes, yes &amp; amen. Well put - especially point no. 1. After all who are you to question such &#8220;success?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114299</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114299</guid>
		<description>well said rev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well said rev</p>
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		<title>By: the rev</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114265</link>
		<dc:creator>the rev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 13:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114265</guid>
		<description>hmmmmmmm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmmmmmm</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114171</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114171</guid>
		<description>Good night Bec - Happy Thanksgiving!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good night Bec - Happy Thanksgiving!</p>
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		<title>By: Bec</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114166</link>
		<dc:creator>Bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Nov 2005 05:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2005/11/24/internet-argument/#comment-114166</guid>
		<description>kevin, i'm laughing my head off, and everyone's wondering why because i'm supposed to be drafting submissions...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kevin, i&#8217;m laughing my head off, and everyone&#8217;s wondering why because i&#8217;m supposed to be drafting submissions&#8230;</p>
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