Comments on: the reformers http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/ musings from those on the journey Fri, 5 Dec 2008 01:11:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Andrew http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128385 Andrew Wed, 22 Feb 2006 09:03:56 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128385 Nothing Rev. Enjoy it! Nothing Rev. Enjoy it!

]]> By: the rev http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128379 the rev Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:28:39 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128379 he is speaking on a different subject at the postcards. I was not expecting him to say anything ground breaking at Tabor either, I expected him to do just what he did, make a foundation for understanding our current cultural shifts. He did that very well. But like I said, he is talking about his new book at the postcards. Because I have already heard the postmodernism stuff, I look forward to something I haven't heard before, what is wrong with that? the rev he is speaking on a different subject at the postcards. I was not expecting him to say anything ground breaking at Tabor either, I expected him to do just what he did, make a foundation for understanding our current cultural shifts. He did that very well. But like I said, he is talking about his new book at the postcards. Because I have already heard the postmodernism stuff, I look forward to something I haven’t heard before, what is wrong with that?

the rev

]]> By: Andrew http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128373 Andrew Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:19:44 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128373 I do Phil. My comment was more in light of Rev's expectations for 'postcards'. I do Phil. My comment was more in light of Rev’s expectations for ‘postcards’.

]]> By: phil http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128372 phil Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:08:48 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128372 I think you might have misunderstood me Andrew. Maybe, I communicated badly. I was not suggesting that Brian McLaren needs to be ground breaking everytime, and I wasn't attempting to put nor do I have him on a pedestal and at a distance. I wasn't attempting to define Brian by his radical or groundbreaking quotent. Rather, I was simply saying that he gave a good talk, covered good ground well but said nothing that I hadn't heard before and therefore was not particularly groundbreaking. It sounds like you agree with my assessment that he didn't say anything ground breaking. I think you might have misunderstood me Andrew. Maybe, I communicated badly. I was not suggesting that Brian McLaren needs to be ground breaking everytime, and I wasn’t attempting to put nor do I have him on a pedestal and at a distance. I wasn’t attempting to define Brian by his radical or groundbreaking quotent.

Rather, I was simply saying that he gave a good talk, covered good ground well but said nothing that I hadn’t heard before and therefore was not particularly groundbreaking. It sounds like you agree with my assessment that he didn’t say anything ground breaking.

]]> By: Andrew http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128371 Andrew Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:55:57 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128371 I heard him today over 6 hours. Really excellent. I don't think it is fair to expect him to say 'anything groundbreaking' as one might expect something of a visiting guru. He's written so much good stuff. I though that the benefit was the chance to engage in conversation with him rather then put him on a pedestal and at a distance. I think that things become dangerous when someone is defined just by their radical or groundbreaking quotent. Sometimes it is really helpful if they are just 'normal' and 'interested'. I heard him today over 6 hours. Really excellent. I don’t think it is fair to expect him to say ‘anything groundbreaking’ as one might expect something of a visiting guru. He’s written so much good stuff. I though that the benefit was the chance to engage in conversation with him rather then put him on a pedestal and at a distance. I think that things become dangerous when someone is defined just by their radical or groundbreaking quotent. Sometimes it is really helpful if they are just ‘normal’ and ‘interested’.

]]> By: Aj Schwanz » How Do Reformers Go From Here? http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128346 Aj Schwanz » How Do Reformers Go From Here? Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:33:36 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128346 [...] Or by courageously following their example?” ~ Brian McLaren HT «   [...] […] Or by courageously following their example?” ~ Brian McLaren HT «   […]

]]> By: Aj Schwanz » http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128345 Aj Schwanz » Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:32:41 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128345 [...] Or by courageously following their example?” ~ Brian McLaren HT « The Church: Sin Management vs. Kingdom Living   [...] […] Or by courageously following their example?” ~ Brian McLaren HT « The Church: Sin Management vs. Kingdom Living   […]

]]> By: the rev http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128338 the rev Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:52:03 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128338 Phil, Jon is talking about how some people tend to bag america, but then Brian comes out and everyone is all up on him like a tick on a dogs ass. :) I enjoyed the Q&A portion, the postmodernism, post colonialism stuff was very thorough, and well done, but like you said I had heard it before. I am expecting him to be a bit more new and exciting at the postcards, (and that isn't marketing, its already sold out) the rev Phil,

Jon is talking about how some people tend to bag america, but then Brian comes out and everyone is all up on him like a tick on a dogs ass.

:)

I enjoyed the Q&A portion, the postmodernism, post colonialism stuff was very thorough, and well done, but like you said I had heard it before.

I am expecting him to be a bit more new and exciting at the postcards, (and that isn’t marketing, its already sold out)

the rev

]]> By: scott http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128337 scott Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:51:23 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128337 I think there is a good chance of sweat if the temperature gets over 30c in that hall on thursday at Tabor. I agree with Phil, nothing new that was covered. Just new terminology such as 'post colonial', which I can certainly identify in my Australian culture. I also just found it interesting what Alan Myer just posted http://www.philbaker.net/blog/3154 'Christianity and Western Civilisation' with the premiss 'the heart of your culture is your religion'. Almost the opposite from what I heard yesterday and a very 'modern' world view. I think there is a good chance of sweat if the temperature gets over 30c in that hall on thursday at Tabor.
I agree with Phil, nothing new that was covered. Just new terminology such as ‘post colonial’, which I can certainly identify in my Australian culture.
I also just found it interesting what Alan Myer just posted http://www.philbaker.net/blog/3154 ‘Christianity and Western Civilisation’ with the premiss ‘the heart of your culture is your religion’. Almost the opposite from what I heard yesterday and a very ‘modern’ world view.

]]> By: phil http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128335 phil Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:08:24 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/21/the-reformers/#comment-128335 Hi Jon, My reaction to the first day was that it was an excellent and thoughtful presentation of the culture shifts that I have head many times before. It was good but I didn't hear anything groundbreaking. He is an engaging speaker with terrific illustrations and I am looking forward to where he will go with the material on Thurs. I am not sure who was nervously sweating in Melb but I cant see that they would be offended or worried about what was said in the first day. Hi Jon,
My reaction to the first day was that it was an excellent and thoughtful presentation of the culture shifts that I have head many times before. It was good but I didn’t hear anything groundbreaking. He is an engaging speaker with terrific illustrations and I am looking forward to where he will go with the material on Thurs.

I am not sure who was nervously sweating in Melb but I cant see that they would be offended or worried about what was said in the first day.

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