Comments on: forge - and shaping a church by mission http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/ musings from those on the journey Mon, 1 Dec 2008 04:15:47 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Lance http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-130416 Lance Fri, 17 Mar 2006 03:07:08 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-130416 He's been in the missionary position for some time. You'd think he'd know. He’s been in the missionary position for some time.

You’d think he’d know.

]]> By: Luke http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-130411 Luke Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:42:17 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-130411 LOL No way is the author of that THAT fucking dense, surely..... LOL

No way is the author of that THAT fucking dense, surely…..

]]> By: Lance http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-130410 Lance Fri, 17 Mar 2006 02:36:18 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-130410 It's juvenile, but I can't let this one pass. From http://www.backyardmissionary.com/2006/03/sexpo.html "Sexpo? I have the opportunity to have a stand at the upcoming Sexpo I like the thought of a space for a Christian presence that affirms the beauty and joy of sex and helps people see the very healthy perspective God has on sex (being the inventor and all that). I’m still debating a) whether I have the time and energy to pull it off. b) whether I am likely to be able to find anyone to come with me." It’s juvenile, but I can’t let this one pass.

From http://www.backyardmissionary.com/2006/03/sexpo.html

“Sexpo?
I have the opportunity to have a stand at the upcoming Sexpo

I like the thought of a space for a Christian presence that affirms the beauty and joy of sex and helps people see the very healthy perspective God has on sex (being the inventor and all that).

I’m still debating
a) whether I have the time and energy to pull it off.
b) whether I am likely to be able to find anyone to come with me.”

]]> By: Dave http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128963 Dave Sat, 04 Mar 2006 06:14:00 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128963 dan, yeah i guess that's the point - things only will change when either they want them to or there is a clear need to. but when a church (the church i'm talking about) is "growing" and it's under the contempory church growth model it's a bit hard. i think there's probably a different reality for every person. for me it might mean god's calling me to be a part of something fresh, and for another to stay go the hard slog in a institutional setting. props to those who do! it has to be done - and is happening to an extent in our church. it just seems so SLOW and laborious! i struggle with the way the whole leadership thing is set up too, so when i talk up this stuff i've got to be carefulso i don't seem to be "threatening their livelihood" if you know what i mean. interesting...! peace dan,

yeah i guess that’s the point - things only will change when either they want them to or there is a clear need to.

but when a church (the church i’m talking about) is “growing” and it’s under the contempory church growth model it’s a bit hard.

i think there’s probably a different reality for every person. for me it might mean god’s calling me to be a part of something fresh, and for another to stay go the hard slog in a institutional setting.

props to those who do! it has to be done - and is happening to an extent in our church. it just seems so SLOW and laborious! i struggle with the way the whole leadership thing is set up too, so when i talk up this stuff i’ve got to be carefulso i don’t seem to be “threatening their livelihood” if you know what i mean.

interesting…!

peace

]]> By: dan http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128880 dan Fri, 03 Mar 2006 04:01:34 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128880 Dave, thanks for the comment. I guess part of the battle is finding a situation where the church is open enough to look at different ideas. This doesn't make everything suddenly work perfectly, but it is a good start. In our case, the openness came through the fact that the church we started at was looking death in the face - fully contemplating that they would not last a lot longer if things did not change. Dave, thanks for the comment. I guess part of the battle is finding a situation where the church is open enough to look at different ideas. This doesn’t make everything suddenly work perfectly, but it is a good start. In our case, the openness came through the fact that the church we started at was looking death in the face - fully contemplating that they would not last a lot longer if things did not change.

]]> By: Dave http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128867 Dave Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:00:57 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128867 yeah, i know plenty of people who are in that boat... myself included. but, like the rev, said, there're some (me) that couldn't stand it! I personally have been struggling with this idea for about a year and don't think i could handle the conflicts that are created, even if it's just within myself. on the other hand, i have a friend who shares the same concerns i do, and has chosen to give up his youth pastor role, to take on a local missions role, all under the same leadership. i don't know how he does it? another question; how do you do it when you really have no authority and the leadership disagree? subversive tactics, i suppose could work. but where's the line between healthy subversion and destructive subversion? i guess thyat's why you're creating the stream! great idea! ps - i've never met phil, but i'm sure he's good looking too! maybe striking features help you gain the attention of the people! yeah,

i know plenty of people who are in that boat… myself included. but, like the rev, said, there’re some (me) that couldn’t stand it!

I personally have been struggling with this idea for about a year and don’t think i could handle the conflicts that are created, even if it’s just within myself.
on the other hand, i have a friend who shares the same concerns i do, and has chosen to give up his youth pastor role, to take on a local missions role, all under the same leadership.

i don’t know how he does it?
another question; how do you do it when you really have no authority and the leadership disagree? subversive tactics, i suppose could work. but where’s the line between healthy subversion and destructive subversion?

i guess thyat’s why you’re creating the stream! great idea!

ps - i’ve never met phil, but i’m sure he’s good looking too! maybe striking features help you gain the attention of the people!

]]> By: the rev http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128728 the rev Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:29:19 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128728 With really nice legs!!! :) the rev With really nice legs!!!

:)

the rev

]]> By: dan http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128726 dan Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:10:49 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128726 And he's good-looking too!! And he’s good-looking too!!

]]> By: the rev http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128725 the rev Wed, 01 Mar 2006 09:04:19 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128725 I would suggest this internship for anyone grappling with how to continue to minister to their congregation while leading them into new and exciting ways of being missional. I think Phil is one of a very small group of people qualified to do this. I know I sure wouldn't have the patience to even try it. the rev I would suggest this internship for anyone grappling with how to continue to minister to their congregation while leading them into new and exciting ways of being missional. I think Phil is one of a very small group of people qualified to do this.

I know I sure wouldn’t have the patience to even try it.

the rev

]]> By: Alan H http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128724 Alan H Wed, 01 Mar 2006 08:52:55 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/forge-and-shaping-a-church-by-mission/#comment-128724 I think its fantastic and Phil is da man. I think its fantastic and Phil is da man.

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