Comments on: Let’s Go to Church http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/ musings from those on the journey Fri, 5 Dec 2008 01:08:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: andy http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128704 andy Wed, 01 Mar 2006 00:53:13 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128704 Isn't the analogy refering to the problems as monkeys, not the employees! I get the feeling you're just looking for something to critisize... Isn’t the analogy refering to the problems as monkeys, not the employees! I get the feeling you’re just looking for something to critisize…

]]> By: alan http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128703 alan Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:25:15 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128703 My theory is that only monkeys could make head or tail of the jargon in the courses run by the good reverend - Lance's reference (see further in his blog). He will be facilitating a course which will: " Present a broad understanding of the essential nature of God’s love. > Articulate with insight the unique aspects of the nature of leadership in the post-modern church. > Display evidence of critical leadership skills for the post-modern context. > Integrate and critique from experience the dynamics of the established and emerging churches. > Appreciate the centrality of God’s essential nature in the Christian leadership role. > Value an appropriate balance of traditional and contemporary approaches to Christian leadership." Wow - surely only monkeys could internalise,ingest and ingurgitate an "articulate with insight" or contemplate an "integrate and critique"!! My theory is that only monkeys could make head or tail of the jargon in the courses run by the good reverend - Lance’s reference (see further in his blog).
He will be facilitating a course which will:

” Present a broad understanding of the essential nature of God’s love.
> Articulate with insight the unique aspects of the nature of leadership in the post-modern church.
> Display evidence of critical leadership skills for the post-modern context.
> Integrate and critique from experience the dynamics of the established and emerging churches.
> Appreciate the centrality of God’s essential nature in the Christian leadership role.
> Value an appropriate balance of traditional and contemporary approaches to Christian leadership.”
Wow - surely only monkeys could internalise,ingest and ingurgitate an “articulate with insight” or contemplate an “integrate and critique”!!

]]> By: Lionfish http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128699 Lionfish Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:43:09 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128699 Even I would not refer to my own staff as monkeys. Even I would not refer to my own staff as monkeys.

]]> By: Lance http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128697 Lance Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:09:56 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128697 Sorry Kieren...but as a subordinate, I find it insulting to be thought of within an organisation as a 'monkey'. I think the same point can be made..using a more respectful analogy, and just find it ridiculous that a church leader would use such a reference to his staff; I don't care how widely used it is in the management world. It's not appropriate. Sorry Kieren…but as a subordinate, I find it insulting to be thought of within an organisation as a ‘monkey’.

I think the same point can be made..using a more respectful analogy, and just find it ridiculous that a church leader would use such a reference to his staff; I don’t care how widely used it is in the management world.

It’s not appropriate.

]]> By: Lionfish http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128694 Lionfish Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:31:11 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128694 Found this article interesting... http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/archives/2006/02/rick_warren_tel_1.php#comments Found this article interesting…

http://www.sliceoflaodicea.com/archives/2006/02/rick_warren_tel_1.php#comments

]]> By: Kieren Green http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128683 Kieren Green Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:02:38 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128683 But I enjoyed reading your first comment. But I enjoyed reading your first comment.

]]> By: Kieren Green http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128682 Kieren Green Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:59:06 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128682 I don't understand your criticism, Lance. The article describes a common management problem, and the described monkey analogy is well known throughout the world of management. It is actually good advice for anyone who has responsibility for other people - don't let your subordinates dump problems on you, rather solve them jointly whilst always keeping responsibility for the problem with the subordinate. I think this leads to healthier teams with employees developing skills and leading to greater job satisfaction. And that's a good thing because it keeps productivity up and turnover lower. I don’t understand your criticism, Lance. The article describes a common management problem, and the described monkey analogy is well known throughout the world of management. It is actually good advice for anyone who has responsibility for other people - don’t let your subordinates dump problems on you, rather solve them jointly whilst always keeping responsibility for the problem with the subordinate. I think this leads to healthier teams with employees developing skills and leading to greater job satisfaction. And that’s a good thing because it keeps productivity up and turnover lower.

]]> By: Lance http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128681 Lance Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:19:00 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128681 One of Western Australia's leading wanker pastors, Mark O'Brien of Warnbro Community Church, believes his staff should be trained like monkeys. http://www.markobrien.com.au/2006/02/monkey_management.html One of Western Australia’s leading wanker pastors, Mark O’Brien of Warnbro Community Church, believes his staff should be trained like monkeys.

http://www.markobrien.com.au/2006/02/monkey_management.html

]]> By: Lance http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128677 Lance Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:35:41 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/02/28/lets-go-to-church/#comment-128677 Baby's Second Church Book. "God loves us very much. He is our friend. But if you don't do everything He and his church tells you, He will squash you like an ant. So we visit him at his House. Church is God's House, and God likes it when people give lots of money to care for God's house and the people who run it. We pray in church. Praying is like talking to God. You lower your head and close your eyes, otherwise God can't hear you. 'I love you' is a prayer God likes to hear. We can also say 'thank you God', or 'help me God', or 'God, I'm sorry'. 'Geez, the worship leader's got big tits' is a prayer God doesn't like to hear. We listen to God's words in church too. He speaks to us from stories from a book called the Bible. In the Bible, God tells us about himself and how he wants us to live. God also tells us about his son Jesus, and how He was punished for the things done by bad people. But don't tell bad people that, because then they'll think they can be let off the hook. We think about God at church - about how wonderful He is - and about how good He is to us. We think about all the good things He has given us - our families, our friends, our pets, our homes, our venomous snakes and our fatal diseases. What else do we do at church? We sing! Songs that we sing at church are called 'crap'. God is happy when he hears us sing. God is even happier when we tapdance, juggle or do a one-and-a-half somersault tuck and pike.. When we leave church we say, 'ooohhhhhhh' after dropping the fart we've held in for 2 hours. Can you wave goodbye to church? Baby’s Second Church Book.

“God loves us very much. He is our friend.

But if you don’t do everything He and his church tells you, He will squash you like an ant.

So we visit him at his House. Church is God’s House, and God likes it when people give lots of money to care for God’s house and the people who run it.

We pray in church. Praying is like talking to God. You lower your head and close your eyes, otherwise God can’t hear you. ‘I love you’ is a prayer God likes to hear. We can also say ‘thank you God’, or ‘help me God’, or ‘God, I’m sorry’. ‘Geez, the worship leader’s got big tits’ is a prayer God doesn’t like to hear.

We listen to God’s words in church too. He speaks to us from stories from a book called the Bible. In the Bible, God tells us about himself and how he wants us to live. God also tells us about his son Jesus, and how He was punished for the things done by bad people. But don’t tell bad people that, because then they’ll think they can be let off the hook.

We think about God at church - about how wonderful He is - and about how good He is to us. We think about all the good things He has given us - our families, our friends, our pets, our homes, our venomous snakes and our fatal diseases.

What else do we do at church? We sing! Songs that we sing at church are called ‘crap’. God is happy when he hears us sing. God is even happier when we tapdance, juggle or do a one-and-a-half somersault tuck and pike..

When we leave church we say, ‘ooohhhhhhh’ after dropping the fart we’ve held in for 2 hours.

Can you wave goodbye to church?

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