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	<title>Comments on: golden calves</title>
	<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/</link>
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		<title>By: Reve</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-148286</link>
		<dc:creator>Reve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Sep 2006 23:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-148286</guid>
		<description>Wow!

What a creepy prospect!

Lance, are you able to find out if this documentary will have an Australian release?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow!</p>
<p>What a creepy prospect!</p>
<p>Lance, are you able to find out if this documentary will have an Australian release?</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-148222</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 17:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-148222</guid>
		<description>Strap yourselves in for 'Jesus Camp'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UWIb4FwHPg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strap yourselves in for &#8216;Jesus Camp&#8217;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UWIb4FwHPg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UWIb4FwHPg</a></p>
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		<title>By: WIGGY</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-134038</link>
		<dc:creator>WIGGY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-134038</guid>
		<description>I can’t help but think that possibly the Jesus of the MegaChurch is the same Messiah that the Jews were expecting when he actually came during his lifetime…

Lionfish that is so TRUE!
Christ tells us clearly throughout the Gospels that his Kingdom now is a spiritual one and is not physical - 

"Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world" John 18.36

Why o why do these Mega-church ministers insist upon setting up a physical kingdom now?
It really defys belief
Here an article that exposes the lavish lifestyles of these frauds - 

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.html

Some quotes from this page are:

Televangelists Jan and Paul Crouch of the Costa Mesa-based Trinity Broadcasting Network have purchased a Newport Beach house for close to $5 million, Orange County Realtors say. The home was described as "a palatial estate with ocean and city views." 
The Crouches had been living in a smaller house in the same neighborhood. The house they bought has six bedrooms, nine bathrooms, a billiard room, a climate-controlled wine cellar, a sweeping staircase and a crystal chandelier. 
The three-story, nearly 9,500-square-foot house, which has an elevator, also has a six-car garage, a tennis court and a pool with a fountain. The house is on slightly more than an acre. Jan Crouch had been wanting a bigger yard for her dogs, sources said. (Los Angeles Times, Nov 4th. 2001). 

One of the Crouch estates is TBN's ranch in Colleyville, TX, just minutes away from the Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport. The 80-plus acre ranch is located between the city limits of Colleyville and Southlake – two of the wealthiest cities in Texas. The ranch, which contains eight houses and horse stables, is estimated to be worth about $10 million. 

"Hellooooo Woorld!" yells Paul, who has seen much of it in the past 25 years. He gets around nowadays in a Canadair Challenger 600 executive jet worth about $13 million

Heres more - 

Joyce Meyer
Ministry Headquarters 

The ministry's headquarters is a three-story jewel of red brick and emerald-color glass that, from the outside, has the look and feel of a luxury resort hotel. Built two years ago for $20 million, the building and grounds are postcard perfect, from manicured flower beds and walkways to a five-story lighted cross.

etc etc... Golden Calves indeed!

WIGGY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can’t help but think that possibly the Jesus of the MegaChurch is the same Messiah that the Jews were expecting when he actually came during his lifetime…</p>
<p>Lionfish that is so TRUE!<br />
Christ tells us clearly throughout the Gospels that his Kingdom now is a spiritual one and is not physical - </p>
<p>&#8220;Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world&#8221; John 18.36</p>
<p>Why o why do these Mega-church ministers insist upon setting up a physical kingdom now?<br />
It really defys belief<br />
Here an article that exposes the lavish lifestyles of these frauds - </p>
<p><a href="http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.inplainsite.org/html/tele-evangelist_lifestyles.html</a></p>
<p>Some quotes from this page are:</p>
<p>Televangelists Jan and Paul Crouch of the Costa Mesa-based Trinity Broadcasting Network have purchased a Newport Beach house for close to $5 million, Orange County Realtors say. The home was described as &#8220;a palatial estate with ocean and city views.&#8221;<br />
The Crouches had been living in a smaller house in the same neighborhood. The house they bought has six bedrooms, nine bathrooms, a billiard room, a climate-controlled wine cellar, a sweeping staircase and a crystal chandelier.<br />
The three-story, nearly 9,500-square-foot house, which has an elevator, also has a six-car garage, a tennis court and a pool with a fountain. The house is on slightly more than an acre. Jan Crouch had been wanting a bigger yard for her dogs, sources said. (Los Angeles Times, Nov 4th. 2001). </p>
<p>One of the Crouch estates is TBN&#8217;s ranch in Colleyville, TX, just minutes away from the Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport. The 80-plus acre ranch is located between the city limits of Colleyville and Southlake – two of the wealthiest cities in Texas. The ranch, which contains eight houses and horse stables, is estimated to be worth about $10 million. </p>
<p>&#8220;Hellooooo Woorld!&#8221; yells Paul, who has seen much of it in the past 25 years. He gets around nowadays in a Canadair Challenger 600 executive jet worth about $13 million</p>
<p>Heres more - </p>
<p>Joyce Meyer<br />
Ministry Headquarters </p>
<p>The ministry&#8217;s headquarters is a three-story jewel of red brick and emerald-color glass that, from the outside, has the look and feel of a luxury resort hotel. Built two years ago for $20 million, the building and grounds are postcard perfect, from manicured flower beds and walkways to a five-story lighted cross.</p>
<p>etc etc&#8230; Golden Calves indeed!</p>
<p>WIGGY</p>
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		<title>By: Homer Simpson</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-134008</link>
		<dc:creator>Homer Simpson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 07:38:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-134008</guid>
		<description>Geat article! Much food for a nation following in our big brothers foosteps.. Any ideas on where we are at as a nation in this area?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geat article! Much food for a nation following in our big brothers foosteps.. Any ideas on where we are at as a nation in this area?</p>
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		<title>By: the rev</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-133966</link>
		<dc:creator>the rev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:22:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-133966</guid>
		<description>yeah it was a great article.  I showed it to some friend in America, they didn't seem to want to deal with the issues presented.

the rev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah it was a great article.  I showed it to some friend in America, they didn&#8217;t seem to want to deal with the issues presented.</p>
<p>the rev</p>
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		<title>By: Lionfish</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-133964</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 14:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-133964</guid>
		<description>I can't help but think that possibly the Jesus of the MegaChurch is the same Messiah that the Jews were expecting when he actually came during his lifetime...

Powerful, warrior-like, dignified, influential, to restore "Isreal" to a place of respect and prosperity...

What did Jesus mean when he spoke to the Religious Teachers of his time and said  "You travel over land and sea just to find one convert - only to make hime twice as fit for hell as yourselves". ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t help but think that possibly the Jesus of the MegaChurch is the same Messiah that the Jews were expecting when he actually came during his lifetime&#8230;</p>
<p>Powerful, warrior-like, dignified, influential, to restore &#8220;Isreal&#8221; to a place of respect and prosperity&#8230;</p>
<p>What did Jesus mean when he spoke to the Religious Teachers of his time and said  &#8220;You travel over land and sea just to find one convert - only to make hime twice as fit for hell as yourselves&#8221;. ?</p>
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		<title>By: Lionfish</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-133961</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Apr 2006 13:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/04/15/1509/#comment-133961</guid>
		<description>Interesting.

“Are Americans hypocrites? Of course they are. But most people, including me, are hypocrites. The more troubling explanation for this disconnection between belief and action is that most Americans, which means most believers, have replaced the Christianity of the Bible, with its call for sharing and personal sacrifice, with a competing creed, possibly several competing creeds.

The one that frightens me most comes from the sprawling megachurches. Its deviation is subtle - most of what gets preached in these palaces isn't loony at all but disturbingly conventional, with pastors focusing relentlessly on individual needs. Their goal is to service consumers - not communities but individuals, those who feel the need for some spirituality in their (or their children's) lives. The result is a comfortable, suburban faith.
A reporter from The New York Times, who recently visited one booming megachurch outside Phoenix, found a typical scene: a drive-through latte stand, Krispy Kreme doughnuts at every service, and sermons about how to discipline your children, how to reach your professional goals, how to invest your money, how to reduce your debt. On Sundays children played with church-distributed Xboxes and many congregants signed up for a twice-weekly aerobics class called Firm Believers’.

“And the dominant theologies of the moment do just that. They undercut Jesus, muffle his hard words, deaden his call, and in the end silence him. The consumer gospel of the suburban megachurches is a perfect match for conservative economic creeds about personal responsibility instead of collective action. Privatise social security? Keep health care for people who can afford it? File those under God helps those who help themselves”.

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Lord help the Megachurch. Lord help us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting.</p>
<p>“Are Americans hypocrites? Of course they are. But most people, including me, are hypocrites. The more troubling explanation for this disconnection between belief and action is that most Americans, which means most believers, have replaced the Christianity of the Bible, with its call for sharing and personal sacrifice, with a competing creed, possibly several competing creeds.</p>
<p>The one that frightens me most comes from the sprawling megachurches. Its deviation is subtle - most of what gets preached in these palaces isn&#8217;t loony at all but disturbingly conventional, with pastors focusing relentlessly on individual needs. Their goal is to service consumers - not communities but individuals, those who feel the need for some spirituality in their (or their children&#8217;s) lives. The result is a comfortable, suburban faith.<br />
A reporter from The New York Times, who recently visited one booming megachurch outside Phoenix, found a typical scene: a drive-through latte stand, Krispy Kreme doughnuts at every service, and sermons about how to discipline your children, how to reach your professional goals, how to invest your money, how to reduce your debt. On Sundays children played with church-distributed Xboxes and many congregants signed up for a twice-weekly aerobics class called Firm Believers’.</p>
<p>“And the dominant theologies of the moment do just that. They undercut Jesus, muffle his hard words, deaden his call, and in the end silence him. The consumer gospel of the suburban megachurches is a perfect match for conservative economic creeds about personal responsibility instead of collective action. Privatise social security? Keep health care for people who can afford it? File those under God helps those who help themselves”.</p>
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<p>Lord help the Megachurch. Lord help us all.</p>
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