The essentials

Last night at Tangent a conversation about spiritual disciplines and complaints about business cards rapidly deteriorated into a discussion of all kinds of different things including the Gospel of Judas, the Da Vinci Code, a missional order, the Fundamentals and theology of the cross.

Our denomination (and thus my personal theological tradition) has a belief “in the essentials, unity; in the inessentials, diversity and in all things love”.  So our congregations aren’t about teaching a particular doctrine on all issues which people must agree with.  Often when Phil or I talk about our multi-congregational approach at other places one of the primary questions is “how do you control doctrine?”.  The question might be expressed in different ways, but it is basically a question about how do you stop heresy or wrong thinking from arising and perpetuating itself.  It is a hard question to answer because we don’t have the same meaning tied up with uniformity of theology.

My short answer would be that we embrace the idea of the priesthood of all believers and think that believers in a congregational community with each other who represent a diversity of theological belief are more likely to hold each other heading in the right direction than a group who all believe the same thing that are reliant on a theologically trained person to give them input.  Secondly, I think that we all fall into error from time to time in our struggle to know God and follow Jesus.  And that those missteps can be valuable and important steps in a journey to faith.  I know that if I cast my mind back over my life I can think of many occasions when I held beliefs that I now consider to be wrong (for a while there I even liked Carmen and had a fish sticker on my car).  But thirdly, nobody is really working without a net in our congregations.  There are theologically trained people (if not ministers) in most of our congregations and there is a lot that goes on in terms of development and support for congregational leaders.  And in my (admittedly limited) experience there haven’t been a lot of instances where theology has arisen which is so outlandish so as to fall outside of what you would expect from an ordinarily diverse congregation.  Sure, people outside our church might disagree with what is being taught, but that wuold happen anyway.  Controlling “doctrine” within the multi-congregational approach suggests that we need to guard against those heretics who are already within our model.  Is there a rising tide of heresy within churches that I am not aware of?

Anyway, it does make it very interesting as a leader.  If you preach a sermon, you might be less candid and more muted than you might be in a one to one talk so as not to tread on too many people’s toes, but you are still basically just giving your view and people are bound to listen to it whether they agree or not (whilst saving their criticism for after the service).  But in discussion based congregations like Tangent, your views are much more open to challenge.  Particularly when you know that within the group there are people who have a theological perspective which is very different to yours.

But it is also part of what makes these sorts of congregations so attractive to me.  Myself I would personally be content to just continue to believe what I do without ever being challenged or having to explain or justify why I believe what I do.  Particularly seeing as I am one of the theologically trained people at our congregation and therefore share a responsibility for part of our teaching ministry.  Yet in a congregational environment like ours I know that just because I say something doesn’t mean that people will agree with it, and if they don’t agree with one thing I say, I would like to avoid pissing them off so much that they don’t listen to anything else that I say.

So it was interesting talking about gnosticism on the one hand and resurrection theology on the other.  In particular we talked about how debate over resurrection theology so often loses sight of the life that was resurrected.  Jesus’ life and actions almost become irrelevant as the essence of the gospel is distilled down to a neat picture of a cross bridging a chasm neatly labelled “sin” between the cliffs of God and humankind.  The Passion without the prophet, a death in place of a life.

101 Responses to “The essentials”

Pages: « 1 2 3 [4]

  1. 91
    DonaldDuck Says:

    A broken clock is correct twice a day. However, I’m probably on 24-hour time.

  2. 92
    James Says:

    Your words Ducky, only problem is, i find myself in agreement with you again.

  3. 93
    DonaldDuck Says:

    Multiple choice question. Which is the Word of God:

    1) The Bible
    2) Jesus Christ
    3) The words of Jesus Christ
    4) Any words spoken under inspiration of the Holy Spirit
    5) All of the above
    6) None of the above
    7) God does not exist. This is a trick question.
    8) It’s a matter of private, personal faith and none of your business, so f*** off, you atheist c***.

  4. 94
    James Says:

    How bout we wait for the next 24 hrs. Nite, and God bless!

  5. 95
    Janet Says:

    8 is the most entertaining answer… but I’ll cast my vote for 5. I have a fondness for the paradoxical.

  6. 96
    Bring Back EP at LP Says:

    James you could actually say why did John call Jesus the word but to signify he is God!

    It is sad that the understanding of doctrine is so poor that some people believe 1 Cor 5 is about legalism ( ironically written by Paul the Justification champion.)

    Why was Smyrna looked on badly by Jesus?

  7. 97
    dan Says:

    As for the word of God debate, let’s move it over here where we have discussed some of these questions.

  8. 98
    James Says:

    Dan, off i go :) , still think the question is a foundational essential. If the bible is not our final authority; we can have no essentials as we have no objective reference point. … and this is not a straw man … Or if you think it is a straw man; then please suggest an alternate OBJECTIVE reference point. … i can feel a straw man coming on … or are to accept the proclamations of the peer appointed or self appointed apostles as our objective LOL reference point. I don’t think this is a straw man argument, a bit simplified, but methinks a valid question in its intention!

  9. 99
    James Says:

    EP, or is that Homer? As for law v grace in 1Cor.5; one need only look to v5 to find grace.

    Tend to agree with you on the main point of John1 - but so so much more; and the implications are so far reaching - not the least of which, why did God choose (you can see my bible is the Word of God persuasion right here) to use the term God was the Word … and the Word became flesh … If the coming of Son of God in the flesh was the only point, or even the main point, surely He could have said, God was the Son … and Son was made flesh.

    Anyway, Dan says we gotta take this discussion elsewhere. Does that mean acceptance of the bible as our final authorit is NOT AN ESSENTIAL. Musn’t be an essential - and nobody has come out YES IT IS or NO ITS NOT! Of course, if we say “No its Not” … then what have we got to discuss … sorry if this is beginning to sound cyclical!

    You ask, “Why was Smyrna looked on badly by Jesus?” Because … God doesn’t like us suffer persecution … I’m with Him there! Did u mean Smyrna, or Laodicea per chance?

  10. 100
    Bring Back EP at LP Says:

    Yes i know I just don’t know why few people seem to not understand the gist of what God is telling us here and why they confuse it with salvation through the law.

    James I am busy at present. did my memory let me down concerning Revelations?

  11. 101
    DonaldDuck Says:

    What’s the point in having God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit as the final authority? These entities never seem to speak to people in groups, only individually. Which results in people having different messages and different understandings.

    It’s no different to me saying I am my own authority, except that I will pretend God spoke to me, and I think I can get away with it if I’m sincere enough.

    A final authority has to be objective in the sense that it improves the probability of a common understanding emerging (the probability being a measure of objectivity). The Bible would seem to be a better final authority as it is at least in written form, but loses points because of, for example manuscript variants and cultural barriers to its understanding.

Pages: « 1 2 3 [4]