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	<title>Comments on: Hillsong article</title>
	<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/</link>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144706</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144706</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;akevin Says: 

August 13th, 2006 at 12:22 pm 
Here is an article about Heidi baker from Charisma magazine I found of interest&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You know, I liked most of that article except for this stuff:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Just days before she arrived in Cincinnati, Baker prayed for two blind beggars who wandered into her tent meeting at her base in Pemba, Mozambique. Both men instantly received their sight after Baker wet her fingers with saliva and touched their eyes.
 
Such astounding miracles are common to Heidi and Rolland. They have seen God supernaturally multiply rice and chili to feed hungry orphans. Heidi has watched paralytics walk for the first time after they received prayer. And indigenous pastors the Bakers trained in Mozambique have raised 53 people from the dead so far.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don;t think I've ever heard of Heidi Baker - but whenever i see stuff like this printed about anyone - especially when it says it's happened in Africa where i's phenominally hard to source the accurate reports or get confirmation of events and facts - very dubious - but agree with the message.

I'd like to hear what others think about things like the above.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>akevin Says: </p>
<p>August 13th, 2006 at 12:22 pm<br />
Here is an article about Heidi baker from Charisma magazine I found of interest</p></blockquote>
<p>You know, I liked most of that article except for this stuff:</p>
<blockquote><p>Just days before she arrived in Cincinnati, Baker prayed for two blind beggars who wandered into her tent meeting at her base in Pemba, Mozambique. Both men instantly received their sight after Baker wet her fingers with saliva and touched their eyes.</p>
<p>Such astounding miracles are common to Heidi and Rolland. They have seen God supernaturally multiply rice and chili to feed hungry orphans. Heidi has watched paralytics walk for the first time after they received prayer. And indigenous pastors the Bakers trained in Mozambique have raised 53 people from the dead so far.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don;t think I&#8217;ve ever heard of Heidi Baker - but whenever i see stuff like this printed about anyone - especially when it says it&#8217;s happened in Africa where i&#8217;s phenominally hard to source the accurate reports or get confirmation of events and facts - very dubious - but agree with the message.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to hear what others think about things like the above.</p>
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		<title>By: akevin</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144694</link>
		<dc:creator>akevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144694</guid>
		<description>SHHHH Lionfish...  If word gets out,  I'm finished on the Professional Speaking Circuit.

What's really funny to me is that in some of my circles Heidi baker is a superstar (understated).  I don't think she knows it though.  This was always one of my big problems with ken hagin.  The people I knew from his Bible College were the coldest people I ever met.  I went to see hin about 12-13 years ago in Indianapolis.  The front 7-800 chairs were reserved for their Bible School graduates and yes men.  The ride up was good though and so was the meal at Denny's afterward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SHHHH Lionfish&#8230;  If word gets out,  I&#8217;m finished on the Professional Speaking Circuit.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s really funny to me is that in some of my circles Heidi baker is a superstar (understated).  I don&#8217;t think she knows it though.  This was always one of my big problems with ken hagin.  The people I knew from his Bible College were the coldest people I ever met.  I went to see hin about 12-13 years ago in Indianapolis.  The front 7-800 chairs were reserved for their Bible School graduates and yes men.  The ride up was good though and so was the meal at Denny&#8217;s afterward.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144691</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 16:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144691</guid>
		<description>If you're a 'superstar'....why do you have to tell people who the hell you are?

From Darlene Zschech's own blog http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&#38;friendid=32111098

"About Darlene Zschech

An understated superstar that casually moves about the musical radar, Darlene Zschech takes the accolades, the business, the recording and performing, every detail surrounding the music she writes and sings, in a steady stride."

How come nobody outside the charismatic Christian sub-culture has heard of her if she's a 'superstar'? (oh...she's an 'understated' one).

Looks like we'll now have to elevate Mojo (the guy who sang the 'you ought to be congratulated' margarine jingle) to 'understated superstar' status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re a &#8217;superstar&#8217;&#8230;.why do you have to tell people who the hell you are?</p>
<p>From Darlene Zschech&#8217;s own blog <a href="http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&amp;friendid=32111098" rel="nofollow">http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&amp;friendid=32111098</a></p>
<p>&#8220;About Darlene Zschech</p>
<p>An understated superstar that casually moves about the musical radar, Darlene Zschech takes the accolades, the business, the recording and performing, every detail surrounding the music she writes and sings, in a steady stride.&#8221;</p>
<p>How come nobody outside the charismatic Christian sub-culture has heard of her if she&#8217;s a &#8217;superstar&#8217;? (oh&#8230;she&#8217;s an &#8216;understated&#8217; one).</p>
<p>Looks like we&#8217;ll now have to elevate Mojo (the guy who sang the &#8216;you ought to be congratulated&#8217; margarine jingle) to &#8216;understated superstar&#8217; status.</p>
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		<title>By: Lionfish</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144681</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 05:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144681</guid>
		<description>Wow Kevin, it looks as though youare becoming one of Us! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow Kevin, it looks as though youare becoming one of Us! <img src='http://www.signposts.org.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: akevin</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144675</link>
		<dc:creator>akevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Aug 2006 02:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144675</guid>
		<description>Here is an article about Heidi baker from Charisma magazine I found of interest
Heidi Baker's Uncomfortable Message to America
Heidi Baker is challenging the American church to reject superstar Christianity and return to the simplicity of the gospel.

http://www.charismamag.com/fireinmybones/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an article about Heidi baker from Charisma magazine I found of interest<br />
Heidi Baker&#8217;s Uncomfortable Message to America<br />
Heidi Baker is challenging the American church to reject superstar Christianity and return to the simplicity of the gospel.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.charismamag.com/fireinmybones/" rel="nofollow">http://www.charismamag.com/fireinmybones/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lionfish</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144666</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144666</guid>
		<description>That verse ....“It’s the job of priests to teach the TRUTH. People are supposed to look to them for guidance. The priest is the messenger of God-of-the-Angel-Armies. But you priests have abandoned the way of priests. YOUR TEACHING HAS MESSED UP MANY LIVES. You have corrupted the covenant of priest Levi. God-of-the-Angel-Armies says so. And so I am showing you up for who you are. Everyone will be disgusted with you and avoid you because you don’t live the way I told you to live, and you don’t teach my revelation truly and impartially .” 

...Is from Malachi 2:7-9 ... Just before the favoured verse on the "tithe'.

Read and quote from the whole book of Malachi - honorable Pastors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That verse &#8230;.“It’s the job of priests to teach the TRUTH. People are supposed to look to them for guidance. The priest is the messenger of God-of-the-Angel-Armies. But you priests have abandoned the way of priests. YOUR TEACHING HAS MESSED UP MANY LIVES. You have corrupted the covenant of priest Levi. God-of-the-Angel-Armies says so. And so I am showing you up for who you are. Everyone will be disgusted with you and avoid you because you don’t live the way I told you to live, and you don’t teach my revelation truly and impartially .” </p>
<p>&#8230;Is from Malachi 2:7-9 &#8230; Just before the favoured verse on the &#8220;tithe&#8217;.</p>
<p>Read and quote from the whole book of Malachi - honorable Pastors.</p>
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		<title>By: Lionfish</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144665</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 13:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144665</guid>
		<description>Grace Required ... I think it may have been you that pointed it out but Malachi is pointing at the Priests (Leadership) as being the "God Robbers" - I have never heard a sermon on 

&lt;blockquote&gt; "It's the job of priests to teach the TRUTH. People are supposed to look to them for guidance. The priest is the messenger of God-of-the-Angel-Armies. But you priests have abandoned the way of priests. YOUR TEACHING HAS MESSED UP MANY LIVES. You have corrupted the covenant of priest Levi. God-of-the-Angel-Armies says so. And so I am showing you up for who you are. Everyone will be disgusted with you and avoid you because you don't live the way I told you to live, and &lt;em&gt; you don't teach my revelation truly and impartially &lt;/em&gt;."

Now Brian Houston, Pat Mesiti, Phil Pringle, Allan Meyer and Friends on the lucrative networked speaking service ... who insist on teaching from Malachi at offering time - wrap that verse into your 'Pre-Tithe Mini-Sermon', or better still place the verse alongside Malachi 3:10 on your Church offering envolopes!

Apostolic Hermenutics .... &lt;em&gt; Phooooey....! &lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grace Required &#8230; I think it may have been you that pointed it out but Malachi is pointing at the Priests (Leadership) as being the &#8220;God Robbers&#8221; - I have never heard a sermon on </p>
<blockquote><p> &#8220;It&#8217;s the job of priests to teach the TRUTH. People are supposed to look to them for guidance. The priest is the messenger of God-of-the-Angel-Armies. But you priests have abandoned the way of priests. YOUR TEACHING HAS MESSED UP MANY LIVES. You have corrupted the covenant of priest Levi. God-of-the-Angel-Armies says so. And so I am showing you up for who you are. Everyone will be disgusted with you and avoid you because you don&#8217;t live the way I told you to live, and <em> you don&#8217;t teach my revelation truly and impartially </em>.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now Brian Houston, Pat Mesiti, Phil Pringle, Allan Meyer and Friends on the lucrative networked speaking service &#8230; who insist on teaching from Malachi at offering time - wrap that verse into your &#8216;Pre-Tithe Mini-Sermon&#8217;, or better still place the verse alongside Malachi 3:10 on your Church offering envolopes!</p>
<p>Apostolic Hermenutics &#8230;. <em> Phooooey&#8230;.! </em>.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Grace Required</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144661</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace Required</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 12:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144661</guid>
		<description>&lt;em&gt;You've gotta do what it takes&lt;/em&gt;

Just a question.  How many of you who have attended Hillsong like churches have heard this mantra?

Ususally refering to being accepted into the inner sanctum of leadership. It has become one of those sayings that makes me cringe.  Along with &lt;em&gt;be the head and not the tail&lt;/em&gt; and the Malachi storehouses verse coupled with test me in this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>You&#8217;ve gotta do what it takes</em></p>
<p>Just a question.  How many of you who have attended Hillsong like churches have heard this mantra?</p>
<p>Ususally refering to being accepted into the inner sanctum of leadership. It has become one of those sayings that makes me cringe.  Along with <em>be the head and not the tail</em> and the Malachi storehouses verse coupled with test me in this.</p>
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		<title>By: jamesh</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144647</link>
		<dc:creator>jamesh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Aug 2006 03:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144647</guid>
		<description>I posted this link over at the census thread, but today's &lt;i&gt;Weekend Australian&lt;/i&gt; has an article about factionalism in the Melbourne Anglican church. The article mentions Hillsong, so I thought I might post it here too. Online copy &lt;a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20093318-28737,00.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this link over at the census thread, but today&#8217;s <i>Weekend Australian</i> has an article about factionalism in the Melbourne Anglican church. The article mentions Hillsong, so I thought I might post it here too. Online copy <a href="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20093318-28737,00.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Grace Required</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144636</link>
		<dc:creator>Grace Required</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2006 10:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/05/02/hillsong-article/#comment-144636</guid>
		<description>Ooops post in wrong thread.  Was supposed to be in Flingin' flangin'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooops post in wrong thread.  Was supposed to be in Flingin&#8217; flangin&#8217;</p>
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