Hillsong conference 2006
Sorry to be slow on the uptake on this, but Hillsong 2006 is up and running. Anyone who wants to post reviews, discussion or articles about the 2006 conference, do it in this thread (just so we can try to keep things together a bit).
Ta muchly.
May 23rd, 2007 at 9:07 pm
We were told more than once that the week-long conference was costing 4.69 million to stage
(from page 14)
This is why I have such a problem with these churches. You want to waste nearly 5 million for one week of patting each other on the back when that money could have done so much good in so many different areas.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:29 am
“the week-long conference was costing 4.69 million to stage”
I’m not so much interested in how much it cost, I’m more interested in how much they made.
May 24th, 2007 at 11:34 am
“Jentezen [Franklin] committed serious exegetical crimes and attempted to bury the body as he made an impassioned plea for unity”
Pure. Gold.
I’m just surprised that they understood a word he said.
May 24th, 2007 at 2:46 pm
Hillsong are looking for volunteers for this years conference
https://volunteers.hillsong.com/?action=signup
Not only do you get to work long hours 7am till 10.30pm if you do it full time but you have to pay for the privilege. $50 for a weekly bus pass (can’t get daily passes) and $10 for a T-Shirt.
So they get an army of volunteers at no cost to them, they make the volunteers pay for the privilege and then still claim it costs nearly 5 million to run
June 28th, 2007 at 1:10 am
“Reading out your blogs live
Hillsong Today officially starts on the Monday 2nd july - the first day of this amazing jam-packed conference week.
“So we invite you to submit in your thoughts, comments or crazy blogs and we could read it out live from the studio.
Hope to hear from you soon!
Hillsong Today Team”
From blog.myspace.com/hillsongtoday
(Of course I have already suggested that they read out blog postings from this thread)
July 1st, 2007 at 6:08 pm
REQUEST REGARDING HS CONFERENCE:
If anyone is attending the youth component of the Conference where Ron Luce of “Battlecry” is speaking we would like to know here if he makes any attempt to stir up the same kind of trouble he did in San Francisco earlier this year during his speaking engagements.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8tGDb1cDHM
In particular, if he or any member of his entourage makes defammatory, ignorant or derogatory comments about gay people or encourages young christians to protest publicly in gay populated areas as he has clearly done before.
Mr Luce is reminded that his stay in Australia, as per Australian Immigration guidelines, is subject to not inciting discord, or disturbing the peace, & Mr Houston is reminded that he, as Mr Luce’s sponsor in this country, & being fully aware of Mr Luce’s history & what he stands for, is responsible for Mr Luce’s behaviour during his stay.
Any attempt to stir up ill feeling or intimidation against Sydney’s gay population may result in complaints being made to the Department of Immigration & may affect Mr Luce’s (or any representative of his organisation’s) future prospects of returning to Australia.
This isn’t America Mr Luce,…. don’t try it.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:43 pm
not america indeed. Sounds more like China. Whatever happened to free speech. Whether you agree with it or not, you can say what you like. It’s a free country.
July 1st, 2007 at 6:52 pm
You can argue that one out with the Department of Immigration, turtle.
However, by your reasoning the Nazi Twins “Prussian Blue” (whose application to tour Australia was rejected) who sing songs denying the holocaust & championing White Supremacy, should have been allowed to come & act on their right to free speech as well.
Just exactly where do you draw the line Turtle? Or is it just ok to have a go at gays, but not just jews & blacks. You want to make that call? Draw that line?
Use your common sense. Free speech is one thing. This is inciting prejudices against a minority.
July 1st, 2007 at 7:07 pm
where do you draw the line?
good question.
so gays, blacks and jews are off lmits. what about pentecostals, or people who believe differently to you theologically? “Inciting prejudices” is a very convenient term when it’s being used against those you dislike, but not so when it’s what you’re doing to others. There’s hundreds of pages of comments here that could be construed as “inciting prejudice” towards Hillsong & CCC et al.
July 1st, 2007 at 7:25 pm
One would also raise the point that if Mr. Battlecry is speaking at an event where people must pay to attend then those that are forking out the cash to go must want to hear it. It’s not like they’re walking into a gay bar on oxford street with placards. It’s a privately organised event. If you don’t want to hear the garbage then just don’t go.
July 1st, 2007 at 7:29 pm
Pentecostal churches are not vulnerable entities. In fact, they seem impervious to any criticism & sociopathically roll on towards more money & more members without the slightest concern for their transgressors.
If you doubt this, ask yourself why this site has continued without legal challenge for years. We don’t even exist. Not even a blip on the radar.
But black people, jewish people & gay people are culturally vulnerable, that means they have a greater right to protection, as the results of ignorant comments can be further reaching.
Secondly, Ron Luce does not understand gay people, nor does he care to. We DO know about Pente megachurches & speak out of direct experience.
Oh & uh…..Turtleneck, just so im clear - you want to tell the Immigration Dept that they don’t have a reasonable right to deny entry to contraversial visitors who have a history of inciting public disturbances into this country, that correct?
What’s more, did you watch the link? Ron Luce does encourage young christians to publicly protest.
Try to stay with us, mate……
July 1st, 2007 at 7:32 pm
Pentecostal churches are not vulnerable entities. In fact, they seem impervious to any criticism & sociopathically roll on towards more money & more members without the slightest concern for their transgressors.
If you doubt this, ask yourself why this site has continued without legal challenge for years. We don’t even exist. Not even a blip on the radar.
But black people, jewish people & gay people are culturally vulnerable, that means they have a greater right to protection, as the results of ignorant comments can be further reaching.
Secondly, Ron Luce does not understand gay people, nor does he care to. We DO know about Pente megachurches & speak out of direct experience.
Oh & uh…..Turtleneck, just so im clear - you want to tell the Immigration Dept that they don’t have a reasonable right to deny entry to contraversial visitors who have a history of inciting public disturbances into this country, that correct?
Oh & as to 340, Ron Luce DOES encorage young christians to publicly protest. Did you even see the link?
Next…..
July 1st, 2007 at 7:34 pm
Sorry, double-post!
July 1st, 2007 at 7:37 pm
Mr Battlecry can say what he likes we live in a democracy.
However why does he think actions like this will win people to Christ????
Look at the gospels, will some christians really read the gospels……..
July 1st, 2007 at 7:41 pm
“Pentecostal churches are not vulnerable entities”
no, but the people in them are. the people that get verbally slaughtered here because they attend Hillsong or ccc or whatever, are “vulnerable entities”.
This site will have it’s dog day, trust me. One day someone will go too far. Maybe Lance, maybe not. But when they do, and a cease and desist order comes, do you think Dan & Phil will have the resources to fight it?
I looked at the link. But what Mr Luce is doing here in australia is speaking at a privately organised event. If you want to follow your logic then the Dalai Lama also incites public distrubances and should therefore be banned as well.
I’m not going to say Luce has clean hands. That’s just ridiculous. But he has a right to say what he likes, just as Lance has a right to call Houston et al “dickheads” or worse as he has on many occasions.
Don’t be so dismissive of alternate points of view. It implies that you think you have all the answers and are above those who differ from you.
July 1st, 2007 at 7:44 pm
Daisy, yes, you are totally right. I agree. He’s doing a disservice to the “church” (ie the body of christ). as a whole.
July 1st, 2007 at 7:47 pm
Unfortunately ensuring the people we want to be able to speak have the right to speak means we also have to ensure someone as awful as Luce does too. But we should be concerned over who has asked him to speak and who he will be speaking to…as a young person in AOG/mega churches you are basically at the hands of whomever is speaking in the puplit, you odn’t get the right of the chance to question. So if he is speaking to impressionable young people then shame on HS.
July 1st, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Ok, you guys happily live in your world where societies most vulnerable people can be demonised under a cloak of free-speech righteousness. Remember, Americans are gifted at pushing personal agendas using “democracy” as the acceptable-face portal.
Me, i don’t fall for that - if someone makes an ignorant, ill-informed statement, I’m going to call them on their right to make it.
July 1st, 2007 at 8:07 pm
“Don’t be so dismissive of alternate points of view. It implies that you think you have all the answers and are above those who differ from you”
I know what you mean, but i can’t afford that luxury. When you have been a part of an oppressed minority that has made some progress you have a “never again” philosophy that refuses to lose gained ground. Sometimes gained ground is lost by being what you might call “reasonable”. Any voice that turns back time on attitudes affecting groups previously suffering oppression must not be tolerated.
Don’t you understand that?
You may have the luxury of that oblectivity as this subject doesn’t directly affect you & your sense of security. But what if it was something closer to home for you?
July 1st, 2007 at 8:09 pm
and you will be shouted down, because you challenge the rights our society is built on and holds dear.
You have a point Reve, about the way Luce goes about getting his message across, but you’re not going to get this guy thown out until he actually breaks the law. But his message is not illegal, even if it’s anti-gay. I know a lot of gays that are anti straight, it works both ways.
but again, as HS conference is a privately organised event, it ain’t gonna happen. It’s just too easy to dismiss the protest you’re making if you know in advance what he is going to say and you still go into the event. (not that you would)
But what if someone considers something you say to be an ignorant, ill-informed statement, and they challenge you…. what would you do?
July 1st, 2007 at 8:12 pm
reve as the daughter of an immigrant and someone of mixed race I have been part of an oppressed minority and I have had plenty of people say horrible things about me/my family. I don’t have the “luxury of objectivity” and I think I do understand.
However I still think when you try and ban what people can and can’t say you are getting into dangerous territory. We may have to agree to disagree but don’t accuse me not understanding the issue.
July 1st, 2007 at 8:18 pm
“But what if someone considers something you say to be an ignorant, ill-informed statement, and they challenge you…. what would you do?”
I like it when im wrong, i find it thrilling believe it or not. If you could ask my friends they would tell you. I sometimes get frustrated that im not being given enough opportunities to grow because people can’t factually contradict me. If you & i knew each other & you got me on something, you would be my new favourite person & you’d struggle to get rid of me.
Seriously.
July 1st, 2007 at 8:25 pm
#351
Emma, apolz for any offense. You know what i’m talking about, then.
The issue is not just about you & i & our backgrounds though. Your sense of responsibility to protect others who are vulnerable has to be more intense than your ideal that one person has a right to his voice.
Sorry but, we have to get real here.
July 1st, 2007 at 8:26 pm
I’m just about to grab a late dinner, will check this again as soon as i have another opportunity…
July 1st, 2007 at 8:27 pm
I support any efforts to monitor and/or report on anything untoward said or done by Mr. Luce while he’s shit-stirring in Australia.
In fact I would regard as a privilege, should the need arise, to personally give Mr. Luce the bum’s rush back on to the plane taking him back to La-la-land.
July 1st, 2007 at 8:28 pm
Reve,
I get what you are saying But…one persons right to speech is another persons right to preach…..
July 3rd, 2007 at 3:43 am
Exclusive video of Hill$ong United’s new worship release from the Hill$ong Conference 2007.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=vqhpj3lHRbY
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:03 am
That song made me miss you Lance…. i only want to be with you….
July 3rd, 2007 at 6:09 am
Exclusive video for lance -
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZwtBJ0YhqNs
July 3rd, 2007 at 7:13 pm
HILLSONG ON TODAY TONIGHT
Tomorrow night - Channel 7 - 6.30pm - TT exposes Pentecostal performers/musicians like Hillsong & CCC manipulating music charts to get to the “top of the pops”. Showed Hillsong in promo.
Looks like they’ve consulted people like Rev Dr David Millikan & radio personality Jono Coleman - don’t miss it - set your recorders if you can’t watch!
Just in time to coincide with the Conference!