Hillsong conference 2006
Sorry to be slow on the uptake on this, but Hillsong 2006 is up and running. Anyone who wants to post reviews, discussion or articles about the 2006 conference, do it in this thread (just so we can try to keep things together a bit).
Ta muchly.
July 9th, 2006 at 6:51 pm
Well you may remember my mention of an American Pastor who brought nervous gun totin security with him into Hillsong City congregation….it was Bayliss Connerly….as mentioned above.
Also back in the debate someone tried to say that I may have got it wrong, it may have been a tazor….well that would be worse because tazors are banned in this country for every one!
I just had a listen to a favourite CD of mine George - Polyserensa. Try listening to the first track, “Release” about a bad controlling domineering relationship ending. I’ll try finding the lyrics somewhere. It is interesting to think of Hill$ong or $un$et Coast or whatever when you listen to it.
July 9th, 2006 at 7:00 pm
Sorry It was “Special Ones - Track 3
Isn’t it funny how you never really screamed at my face,
but your anger so unspoken and unchannelled permeates my essence to the point where I
Don’t want to see you hear you, be anywhere near you,
you probably think I’m threatened by you but your illusionary power doesn’t threaten me
Actually I think it’s kind of funny that you create an illusion that is a mirror,
I don’t appreciate you and I know that that surprises you
I suppose you see that those who follow their heart always win,
those with integrity have won the match before it’s begun
::chorus::
So rather than being kicked around, I’m going to kick you to the curb
So rather than being pushed around, I’m going to push you away first
So rather than trying to protect you, I’m going to cover my basses first
So rather than trying to open my heart, I’m going to lock it with a key
So that only the special ones, so that only the special ones, can ever get through to me
Some can see beyond the barrier of threshold whereas others can’t see beyond their sculptured mould,
you could offer me nothing, you could offer me nothing that I need
Do you think I’m asking too much?
A kind of respect and trust that shouldn’t even be questioned,
how can I open my heart with dishonesty sitting next to me?
I’ve honoured your honour to the point of embarrassment,
but innocence in the hands of the guilt-free is kicked to, is kicked to the curb
I was ashamed of my innocence,
I was ashamed of my innocence but now with clarity I see that your bullshit is just not worthy of me
::chorus::
I don’t want to be angry….
This is not worthy of me and now with clarity I see that I can walk away, I can walk away
July 9th, 2006 at 7:09 pm
Hi everyone,
Lance and Lionfish, I’m also from Perth and came across this blog after doing some surfing for Hillsong stuff. And, I’m very glad I did. How refreshing to hear some honest Christians being themselves instead of play acting like plastic people.
Funny thing - I haven’t been to a church for a couple of years now, stopped being a full time church member almost five years ago, when God very insistently told me to come out of her, lest I partake of her sins - anyway, I went along to Riverview last Sunday night, out of curiosity, and surprise, surprise - much to my amazement and dislike, there was a guest preacher from Los Angeles! Just what we need, more American influence in Australian churches. The whole show was so slick and greasy, Dave Smith singing (out of four songs, three were Hillsongs, of course), then the video promos, Phil guffing on about raising over a million dollars for some trust thing, then the Phil Donohue interview with another! visiting US pastor. But the really scary thing is the place was full and so many young people. There was a mosh pit - what the hell is that!
Anyway, I just thought it was a nice coincidence, not that I really believe in coincidences, providence perhaps, that I came across this site and I’ve been really encouraged reading all the posts, well as many as I can, and hopefully, we can converse some more. I’ve often felt very alone, stuck out in the wilderness so to speak, but now I know I’m not crazy - there’s others like me!
Cheers!
July 9th, 2006 at 8:30 pm
Welcome aboard Michelle!
You are definitely not alone and not crazy!
July 9th, 2006 at 8:37 pm
“but now I know I’m not crazy”
Welcome Michelle…
The first thing I would say is….’don’t worry….you’re not the one with the problem.’
The second thing I would say is…’don’t worry…you’re not the one with the problem.’
Thirdly…I would re-assure you by saying…’don’t worry…you’re not the one with the problem.’
And lastly ..but most importantly…I would add that…’don’t worry..you’re not the one with the problem.’
We’re continuing to explore the dark underbelly that is the Australian contemporary church… (although ..it must be said…the Australian traditional church is just as whacko..) ..and yes…we’ve even had Phil Baker himself here at Signposts trying to defend the indefensible… telling us all sorts of bullshit before he chickened out……buck..buck..buck…..bacaw! (Of course Phil Baker…you’re welcome to come back here any time and start telling the truth..)
Congratulations that your Bullshit Detector is working fine…(just remember to switch off the detector when you’re going through Osborne Park on the freeway…or it’ll overheat when you go past Margaret Court’s Victory Life Church….soon featuring Kenneth Copeland)…and sorry that you’ve spent that last five years on your own…trying to sort out what’s real from what’s not.
July 9th, 2006 at 8:50 pm
Hill$ong disciple and Perth Baptist pastor Mark Edwards has had a spray on Lionfish’s blog about those who are critical of pastors.
http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=9878595&postID=114633339927527097
“Maybe Pastors get sick of people who should know better, who have been told the truth a hundred times. God got sick and tired of His people, the people He loved.
Maybe some Pastors are sick of pandering to Christians who want to keep getting fed milk.
Maybe some Pastors are sick of people who dont support the ministry of the church, dont attend regularly, dont serve, dont appear to care about the church. Yet these same people are quite happy to bleat from the margins, especially when they feel they are not getting enough grass and pats on the head from the kind shepherd.
Pastors are not perfect, and mess up, but they need our support and encouragement. They need people who are willing to be committed and work together for the real lost sheep, those who dont know the great shepherd at all.”
July 9th, 2006 at 9:22 pm
Sheridan Voysey is taking talkback tonight (Sunday) on Hill$ong Conference on Sydney Christian radio station FM 103.2…and also has an interview with Bill Hybels.
Talkback number is 1300 40 20 20
You can listen on line at http://www.fm1032.com.au/ or 102.3 FM (strangely enough) in metropolitan Sydney.
July 9th, 2006 at 9:27 pm
I think Sheridan’s show is also being relayed to 89.9 Light FM in Melbourne tonight.
July 10th, 2006 at 12:09 am
Lance,
Did you get fed up with all the teeny bopper blogs and their Hill$ong reports or did they just stop? I reckon they ran out of steam. After the emotion wears off they have nothing to write about and no energy to do it…poor bastards working 18 hour days…..
July 10th, 2006 at 12:40 am
Oh no….the blog posts keep going…..how awesome this band was…how the conference was a life-changing experience… (their previous greatest life-changing experience being the switch from Coke to Pepsi)… how they’re catching up on sleep….how they’re now determined to make a difference…
http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=88974872&blogID=142334330
“Just been at Hillsong conference all week serving and got to meet Reinhard Bonke. Just interesting to see how huge his vision is. He is looking for 100 guys to see 1 million people saved each in a week. Thats 100 million. Shireyouth//’s going for 1000 so his vision is like 100,000 times bigger than ours. Thats crazy….but the craziest thing is that its do able.
Also can i say….you know how in the bible Jesus just said to his disciples “come and follow Me” so they just dropped everything and left. We find it hard to get our head around but if The Bonke said to me drop everything and come with me and be one of my right hand men i would drop it in a second….so maybe thats what they were like. Who would you drop everything for?
Just throwing it out there”
Or Carrie from Perth..
http://caz85.blogspot.com/2006/07/hillsong.html
“wow what a week!
i just attended my first hillsong conference and now i never want to miss a year. it was just so so amazing. seriosly there are no words. “mind blowing” is a word ive commonly used to describe how i have felt at the end of each day. and that didnt even come close to expressing how i felt.
each day was amazing. alot of ppl preached out of exodus in reference to leadership - i think ill have to have a read of that book in light of leadership hey. very interesting.
i visited ‘jam’ which is the youth hillsong conference. man that was AMAZING! 4000-5000 youth praising god and getting convicted. they didnt even trash the joint, i was impressed!
israeal houghton was there. what an amazing worship team he has. and it was so exciting to be able to sing along to such amazing music without having to follow the words…hehe just scream the words out and boogie around. the new hillsong live album is gonna be amazing. we sung ‘dance dance dance’ alot and to anyone reading this you NEED to buy that cd cos that song gets you dancing, you cant help it! not that dancing like a fool has ever been an issue for me :p but dancing around - carefree just to worship god and to let every movement of your body be a glorification for god - its so liberating and fills you with this joy that ive never experienced b4.
all the speakers were truly amazing. reinhard bonnke was so goood!! and seeing the short clip of his campaigns in africa gob-smacked me! all you could was ppl. everywhere. its amazing the way he reaches the millions. he told a story of how he received a threat from osama bin laden!!! crazy! not just any threat either - a death threat!! you know your doing something right when osama bin laden wants you dead. hhehe. good thing us god wants him alive so much more so the devil hasnt got a chance. *na na nana na*
we also had delirious there. the little concert they put on for us was amazing and the lead singer was so amazed at the crowd - how could you not be amazed at the scene of 30 000 ppl all worshiping god in unity, its enough to take your breathe away thats for sure. and its a sight i NEVER got sick of!
altho the whole conference was amazing, the final session was THE BEST!!!!! the 7:45pm session on friday night was a praise party and annointing service. my ticket was behind the stage - as usual. so as usual i stood in line for a better seat with jon. then when we got seated, i got a call from sam sheedy, saying come down - we have seats saved for you (PRETTY MUCH AT THE FRONT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) so we bolted down and got such amazing seats! the praise and worship started off as usual and then we watched a dvd of ‘hillsong memories’ showing 20 yrs of hillsong - what a crack up!!! some VERY bad hair styles and outfit selections!
then we had hillsong ‘top ten’ where we sung a mix of the top ten most impacting hillsong songs over the last 20 years - that was so so cool! and wow all the lights and sound and media was done to COMPLETE excellence!! on the roof at the back of the dome on the last night they projectected “GLORY TO GOD” wow it looked so amazing. oh and i forgot to say they had these dancers at the start, that was cool (but our sunset dancers are better sorry. hahaha) and yeh, then we had the annointing part of the service where EVERYONE in the entire dome - thats like 30 000 ppl got annointed with oil. i got annointed twice. HAHA but i wasnt gonna say anything! the worship played in this was so touching and my tears flowed like a river - goodbye mascara. some ppl just got a dot of oil on the forehead and that was it, but i got blessed, the annointing peeps that i got prayed as well. gee its mindblowing when a stranger speaks stuff into ur life thats SO SO spot on. and THEN to have words in the worship line up perfectly with the things that god is telling you. god shared things with me that made me cry cos i dont want to do them. hha. what a spoilt brat. BUT GOD I DONT WANT TO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but its been great how gods had grace on me and let me grow more happy and accepting with it all.
THEN we had the praise party! and since god knows my hearts desires - i wound up in the mosh pit! THATS RIGHT! I WAS IN A HILLSONG MOSH PIT! aawwww yeah!!!! it was amazing. ive never sweated so much. haha. but it was so great to jump and dance and just offer every last peice of energy i had as a sacrifice of praise to god. its so….urrggh no words. liberating, freeing, uplifting. it was AWESOME. and i cried a little as my younger brother jon - who spent the whole conference hardly muttering a word of praise, or raising his hands to god - mosh, dance, sing and praise god. oh my heart was just beating so fast. it blessed me so much to see him get into praising god. i wanna cry just writing about it. i had prayed and prayed that god would touch him at the conference, i know that he really did.
anyway. i could write on and on and on. but i wanna finish on that high note. im now in brisbane staying with my brother ben, his wife linda and their son joseph. hes so cute. he’s 21 months and so so so so cute. im loving spending time with them. so i beta get back to it!”
But….and I’ve had this discussion ad nauseum before on Phil Baker’s blog (before he chickened out and banned all comments) …’ok …you’ve had all these speakers and workshops at the Revenue Church Rise conference….what now?…..what actual change does that make in the life of the church or in what specific ways does it change the way you do ministry or anything…?’
And they’re all like….’ummm……’
And in the days after the Hill$ong Conference…I’m seeing lots of posts about…’wow…that conference was really refreshing……and it’s changed the way I look at things’…blah blah blah…but by next Friday..it’ll all be forgotten…as they remind themselves to pick up the latest Hill$ong worship CD/DVD…and get back into the routine of their church and their social clique next Sunday.
July 10th, 2006 at 7:08 am
oh mannnnnnn…”who would you drop everything for?”
Umm. *cough* Jesus? ‘Cos, like, he’s already said drop everything and follow me and um, like, isn’t he um, like, your Lord and Saviour and everything?
July 10th, 2006 at 7:10 am
oh…is it just me, or has anyone noticed that a lot of these kids are really into fashion? like one girl has one line in her description about how she’s a christian, then there’s virtually paragraphs on how much she likes fashion and clothing and bags and…
and there’s a couple that have high end brands as their wall paper (noice!)
Hmmm. “Come follow me and we’ll go buy stuff…”
July 10th, 2006 at 9:44 am
It’s a bit of a Pente subculture thing… lovely clothes, lovely makeup, perfect blowave, etc. I had a Pente girl turn up to my group recently and was full of complete admiration that she could get a gaggle of young children out the door first thing in the morning and still manage to have organised perfect hair, makeup, clothes etc. She took a cultural leap into “dag city” visiting this group… I think one other mum had managed to get as far as lipstick… I was in my jeans and uggies feeling a bit dorky before this glorious vision of perfection.
It’s funny how much we absorb by socialisation alone… no one verbally teaches that to go to a Pente church one must wear makeup and wear fashionable clothes… if you’re a chick, that is. It makes me wonder how much “cultural baggage” I carry around… plenty, no doubt.
There are worse things to be into.
I was reflecting a bit on that too in reading the comments by the young Hillsongers… youth have so much energy and passion, and there are worse things that all that energy and passion can be directed to than church. A lot worse things.
That’s not to let Hillsong off the hook for the negatives described on Signposts… but it seems the conference has inspired enthusiasm in the young attendees. I think youth are looking for an ideal to commit themselves to, and something to be passionate about. Youth spirituality in some ways is a slightly different beast from (sob!) middle aged spirituality… I have trouble condemning this outright.
Loved your expose of Sunset Coast CLC Lance!
July 10th, 2006 at 11:27 am
You’re right Janet, there are a lot worse things youth could be expending their energy on, but how long will the enthusiasm last? And, how strong is their faith? This reminds me of the Toronto blessing thing? Remember that?
How people who had been to other churches bought it back with them like some sort of contagion, and everyone started laughing and falling over, growling and sobbing, marching and ranting. Then it sort of faded away and now people are looking for their next fix. It’s like wanting something tangible from God, some sort of affirmation instead of simple assurance. But maybe that comes with maturity.
But the whole light and show spectacular and the superficiality of appearance - it’s like consumer christianity, and that is a symptom of the world we live in - shouldn’t be, but it is. I guess you could say the church has accommodated the world, instead of being separate. Churches are run like businesses, which is in complete contradiction to how they should be. Top down management, promotions, toeing the company line, generating more customers and more income. I often wonder why churches measure their success by how big they are.
I went to an interesting (to say the least) church in Tasmania for a while a couple of years ago and the whole control thing was unbelievable. One of the elders made a comment that “the church is not a democracy”, so in other words it’s a totalitarian dictatorship. And believe me, that church was.
So Lance, come on, you’re now going to see Kenny Copeland in the flesh? I reckon I’ll go along and check it out, just out of sheer curiosity to see the reaction from the crowd. Bloody hell, another American! Can you let me know when he’s going to be there? Margaret’s church is on my hit list anyway.
I must admit, it is quite interesting to venture back in after being away for so long, it all seems so empty. I had to laugh when Dave enthusiastically cried out after one song, that “I feel the presence of the Lord here tonight! This is awesome!!”
July 10th, 2006 at 12:26 pm
Of course it won’t last! But maybe some of it is age-stage appropriate. I mean, I’d be a bit worried about a 70 year old in a Christian mosh pit… but there are worse places for a 16 year old to be.
Is there anything terribly wrong with makeup, blowaved hair and perfect clothes? Not my bag, but it’s not wrong per se. Or Christian mosh pits? No. Or dancing? No. Or big Christian conferences? No. Or “contemporary music”? No.
Is there something wrong with money hungry, manipulative, abusive leaders? Too right there is. Is there anything wrong with organisations where there is no accountability, checks and balances? You bet. Is there anything wrong with “teachers” who teach biblical error (eg prosperity doctrine, 100 fold heresy) for their own gain? Absolutely!
So… although you’d have to give the show a very mixed report card, I can’t condemn the lot of it. And in fact, if God in His grace can use at times a sinful, foible-filled person such as myself, perhaps He can even be at work in place such as Hillsong.
I think the trick is to have older, wiser people around to catch the youth and disciple them through their disillusionment when they tire of the show… but they may even have been infected with a bit of the Jesus bug in the midst of the show.
Am I being too charitable?
July 10th, 2006 at 12:42 pm
But the problem is, the older people do become indoctrinated. They listen to the continual messages over and over again and (I’m generalising here) the majority of them don’t read their Bibles themselves, and if they do, and something causes them to question what the Pastor says, they have been so conditioned to the ‘authority’, ‘covering’, ‘touch not the Lord’s anointed’ lines that they discount the niggling doubts and just think “well, that’s not what Pastor… says, and he’d know”.
Tithing is a great one - bring that subject up and see faces go blank and reiterate the same old scriptures (that don’t even apply) over and over again.
But, I can’t condemn everything either. As Jesus said let the wheat and the tares grow together - he’ll sort them out. But something in me just wants to try and get through to these people that are so deceived. When you go to a church service and don’t hear the name of Jesus mentioned once, something’s wrong. And, I love the music. When I walked into my first church and they were singing The Power of Your Love, Your Name, etc. I was blown away.
And, believe it or not, I saw a guy in the mosh pit at Riverview that must have been 60!
July 10th, 2006 at 1:14 pm
Much as the teenage hillsonger blogs make me cringe, I think I was doing much the same when I was 16. I was part of a pentecostal church in Holland - not to Hillsong extremes - but we did sing ’shout to the lord’ in Dutch and they had a pretty cool band. I don’t remember much of the theology, my Dutch wasn’t really up to ‘christianese’ but I enjoyed the singing and the youth group, where we hung out in someone’s attic and had long involved discussions about contemporary issues and christianity.
Our youth group went to big youth weekends and revivals, with christian pop singers, comedians, activities etc. I became very involved in thinking about God, christianity and analysing my beliefs at the time. Probably more intensely involved than I have been before or since. I am quite cynical about some of my ’spiritual experiences’ now, though they seemed real at the time. Issues / beliefs that I was beginning to question at that time, I have since considered far more critically. My friends there were genuine, caring and very supportive in what was a difficult time in my life. I’m not sure I would have come back to really look at my relationship with God later on, had it not been for that very positive experience. Nevertheless, I believe I would be having some big issues with many of the beliefs expressed, were I still in that environment.
July 10th, 2006 at 1:23 pm
“So Lance, come on, you’re now going to see Kenny Copeland in the flesh? I reckon I’ll go along and check it out, just out of sheer curiosity to see the reaction from the crowd. Bloody hell, another American! Can you let me know when he’s going to be there? Margaret’s church is on my hit list anyway.”
I can now answer this question…(after being woken up this morning by the telemarketer from India).
Kenneth Copeland is speaking at Kath and Kim’s Victory Loyf Centa in Osborne Park ..
Tuesday October 10 7PM
Wednesday October 11 9AM and 7PM
Gloria Copeland is speaking at 1:30PM Wednesday October 11.
Kenny says ….
“For 27 years, we’ve been watering the seed of Christianity with the Word of God in the great land of Australia, and now the time has come for the great harvest. The outpouring of the Holy Spirit has begun. I am not telling you something that I think - I am telling you something that I know. God has His hand on this nation because it plays a vital part in these last days. Smith Wigglesworth prophesied it before his death, and that prophecy is coming to pass. God is fanning the flames in Australia, and the nations (sic) finest hour is yet to come.”
And they’ve now come up with a scripture text….to prove why they needed to raise $20 million (from their ‘elite cx team’ members…) to buy a new private jet for the Copelands.
http://elitecxteam.org/scripture/
“As you pray about the call to be an Elite CX Team member, consider this
passage of Scripture that will help explain in more detail what we’re
called to do.
During harvest time, three of the thirty chief men came down to David
at the cave of Adullam, while a band of Philistines was encamped in
the Valley of Rephaim. At that time David was in the stronghold, and
the Philistine garrison was at Bethlehem. David longed for water and
said, ‘Oh, that someone would get me a drink of water from the well near the gate of Bethlehem.’
–2 Samuel 23:13-16″
So the three mighty men [or you could say the 10,000 Elite CX Team members] broke through the Philistine lines, drew water from the well near the gate of Bethlehem and carried it back to David.
When I read this, it summed up the Elite CX Team in a nutshell—men and women willing to go the extra mile to help a man of God. If that’s you, be obedient and join me as a member of this special forces team.
July 10th, 2006 at 1:41 pm
Well he can’t very well ride his Harley here… or could he??
Is that what they’re really like - Fountainlake Christians. Ooh, I can’t wait! Can I sneak a video camera in there?
Funny about that scripture, when the three guys got back, David didn’t drink the water - he poured it out. Obviously they deleted that bit.
Thanks Lance, how much are they charging to get in the door?
July 10th, 2006 at 1:43 pm
I’d assume there would at least be a ‘love offering’ or 5.
July 10th, 2006 at 2:32 pm
Oh man, I’m so in. I’ll be there with a smile and brain. Which will put me one up on most of the other attendees, I suppose.
July 10th, 2006 at 3:52 pm
Lance - everytime you put up a blog quote i cant help but visit and leave a little comment behind like
did reinhardt bonnke tell the story of how he raised someone from the dead at one of his rallies in Africa ?? but then it came out that the person was one of his staff with a faked death certificate ?? the guy is a fake who (like so many preachers today) wants to make money and fame from the faithful who blindly trust…
July 10th, 2006 at 4:10 pm
I’m also fascinated by what Reinhardt was reported by one blogger as saying at Hill$ong Conference….that he’d received a death threat from Osama Bin Laden.
I can find no other reference to that or reporting of that anywhere.
Did anyone else at Hill$ong Conference hear the Bonkster say that?
July 10th, 2006 at 4:52 pm
Yes I did! That’s when I left the room actually.
July 10th, 2006 at 4:55 pm
Bonkke said that he received a threat from Osama Bin Laden to not do a Crusade and that wasn’t going to stop him but for some mumbled reason the crusade didn’t go ahead.
Guys, there is so much bullshit flying around at Hillsong conference it is difficult to get it all down and report on it all. We really need to look at getting a team of reporters next year! It is very difficult for one war correspondent.
July 10th, 2006 at 5:21 pm
Hello fellow bloggers. I have been reading this thread for a while now, encouraged that there are still a few left with minds renewed, not removed. So, another heretic is about to touch down hot on the heels of Shonky Bonkie and Bill Weevils. Thank goodness Kenneth Copeland has been watering us all this time (patronising or what?). I don’t know how else God could have moved here without him. Anyway, keep up the musings - have enjoyed it so far. Roger (alternatively - T.Bokar).
July 10th, 2006 at 5:30 pm
Ok…my people (me) are emailing Bonnke’s people for further details and clarification…
The Australian office for Bonnke is based in Burleigh Town.
How come all the nutter televangelists’ Australian offices are always in Queensland?
July 10th, 2006 at 5:32 pm
It’s all the banana daquaris…
July 10th, 2006 at 7:15 pm
It’s because all the free loaders live in Queensland. They escape to the sun because everything has gone wrong in their lives in the southern states so Queensland is the Promised Land. Does anyone know what the ratio is between the states of depression? Would be interesting to find out. I have a hunch that Queensland is full of people escaping reality….
July 10th, 2006 at 10:08 pm
I know this is slightly off topic nut I just got a hold of the June 29th-July 5th edition of BRW magazine. It has a very revealing article regarding the complete lack of financial accountability of Hillsong and CCC.
Here is a quote from p46 under the heading UNACCOUNTABLE -
“Most religious groups either do not know what they are worth or will not reveal it to the public. In an era of increasing corporate regulation, religious groups are virtually unaccountable… Despite getting all these tax exemptions… groups such as the Church of Scientology, Christian City Church, Hillsong, Christian Outreach centre refuse to reveal their revenue. For instance Hillsong responded to a request from BRW by sending it’s 2004 report even though it’s 2005 report is available… Christian City’s media officer, Glen Henry, refused to co-operate. After many phone calls, he told BRW to go to the Australian Securites and Investments commission for any financial details. There are more than 60 seperate business entities, most of which had no financial reporting and those that did were not the ultimate holding company…”
It’s interesting stuff but it confirms what I have believed all along.
CCC is in a far worse state than Hillsong in the realm of financial accountability and transparency.
Hillsong at least will give a report (albeit an older one) whereas CCC point blank refuse. It stinks of Pringle’s arrogance and disregard for the peasants of Christianity and It really just goes to show that there are definately dodgy dealings afoot in that place.
Spiritual consumers beware!!!
WIGGY