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	<title>Comments on: Of assault and &#8220;fantastic housemates&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/</link>
	<description>musings from those on the journey</description>
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		<title>By: pj</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-143013</link>
		<dc:creator>pj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-143013</guid>
		<description>like your work matt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>like your work matt!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-143004</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-143004</guid>
		<description>“you’re not going to turkey slap me are you” is a fairly clear indication that if that was in fact your plan it is time to change the plan. 

If you watch it on youtube:

First she says
"I'd like you to put your naughty arrow near me"  She tells a story about a hot PE teacher who used to keep her back after class.  They call her over to the bed.  She walks over accusing them of farting.  John says "lie down and close your eyes"  Camilla says "you're not going to turkey slap me are you.  You are, you liars.  Let me in." She was laughing as she said it, and then still got into bed with them. "I'll hurt you if you do.  I'll bite it" Camilla laughs and wriggles while John holds her down and Ashley turkey slaps her.  Camilla yells to the room. "I just got turkey slapped.  that was so mean"  and gropes John in the crotch.  

Talk about mixed messages....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“you’re not going to turkey slap me are you” is a fairly clear indication that if that was in fact your plan it is time to change the plan. </p>
<p>If you watch it on youtube:</p>
<p>First she says<br />
&#8220;I&#8217;d like you to put your naughty arrow near me&#8221;  She tells a story about a hot PE teacher who used to keep her back after class.  They call her over to the bed.  She walks over accusing them of farting.  John says &#8220;lie down and close your eyes&#8221;  Camilla says &#8220;you&#8217;re not going to turkey slap me are you.  You are, you liars.  Let me in.&#8221; She was laughing as she said it, and then still got into bed with them. &#8220;I&#8217;ll hurt you if you do.  I&#8217;ll bite it&#8221; Camilla laughs and wriggles while John holds her down and Ashley turkey slaps her.  Camilla yells to the room. &#8220;I just got turkey slapped.  that was so mean&#8221;  and gropes John in the crotch.  </p>
<p>Talk about mixed messages&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Glover</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-143001</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Glover</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jul 2006 00:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-143001</guid>
		<description>My take on the whole thing in cartoon version:

http://www.mattglover.com/Images/Cartoons/BB2006.gif</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My take on the whole thing in cartoon version:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mattglover.com/Images/Cartoons/BB2006.gif" rel="nofollow">http://www.mattglover.com/Images/Cartoons/BB2006.gif</a></p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142880</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 06:33:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142880</guid>
		<description>My impression of the incident was similar to Cheryls.  [insert disclaimer here about how I don't know any of the housemates or what they are like].  She seemed to me to be someone who was very uncomfortable about the situation but feeling like she had to "go along".  The soundtrack makes it clear that all of the housemates were in the room at the same time, talking and joking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My impression of the incident was similar to Cheryls.  [insert disclaimer here about how I don&#8217;t know any of the housemates or what they are like].  She seemed to me to be someone who was very uncomfortable about the situation but feeling like she had to &#8220;go along&#8221;.  The soundtrack makes it clear that all of the housemates were in the room at the same time, talking and joking.</p>
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		<title>By: ADHD.LIBRARIAN</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142762</link>
		<dc:creator>ADHD.LIBRARIAN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 11:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142762</guid>
		<description>they stopped when asked?
oh good for them!

as I saw it,
it went...
lay down
you're not going to turkey slap me are you
no
-she lays down-

don't


now, having seen this on 'the news' I know it was probably the edited dance remix version of events, but "you're not going to turkey slap me are you" is a fairly clear indication that if that was in fact your plan it is time to change the plan. Any turkey slapping after this point is unwanted and you can no longer claim you were unaware of the unwantedness therein. 
Perhaps a wet willy could have been substituted so you could claim that was your plan all along? It has the advantage of not involving a willy.
My high point was hearing the father of the one they call John defending his son, because “he didn’t do anything, he just held her down”. (or words to that effect)
I hate to use it but that was a real WTF moment. I understand (as a parent) you wouldn’t want to go on TV and say “My Son Was a Twat” but rather than clutching at ways to defend twatdom he could have said “this is out of character and I will be standing by my son even though he was a total plonker on this one occasion”
or (the best option) he could have not given a TV interview and just gone round to his son’s house and smacked him across the back of the head and said “WTF were you thinking”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they stopped when asked?<br />
oh good for them!</p>
<p>as I saw it,<br />
it went&#8230;<br />
lay down<br />
you&#8217;re not going to turkey slap me are you<br />
no<br />
-she lays down-</p>
<p>don&#8217;t</p>
<p>now, having seen this on &#8216;the news&#8217; I know it was probably the edited dance remix version of events, but &#8220;you&#8217;re not going to turkey slap me are you&#8221; is a fairly clear indication that if that was in fact your plan it is time to change the plan. Any turkey slapping after this point is unwanted and you can no longer claim you were unaware of the unwantedness therein.<br />
Perhaps a wet willy could have been substituted so you could claim that was your plan all along? It has the advantage of not involving a willy.<br />
My high point was hearing the father of the one they call John defending his son, because “he didn’t do anything, he just held her down”. (or words to that effect)<br />
I hate to use it but that was a real WTF moment. I understand (as a parent) you wouldn’t want to go on TV and say “My Son Was a Twat” but rather than clutching at ways to defend twatdom he could have said “this is out of character and I will be standing by my son even though he was a total plonker on this one occasion”<br />
or (the best option) he could have not given a TV interview and just gone round to his son’s house and smacked him across the back of the head and said “WTF were you thinking”.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142676</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jul 2006 00:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142676</guid>
		<description>Yes, I agree with your analysis of her behaviour... 

"her behaviour wasn’t out of character for someone who has had an unwanted sexual experience with someone you really like. you’re confused, you wonder how you got into that situation, you wish it would all just disappear and return to normal etc. etc."

And I don't think "she was asking for it" just by jumping into bed with them- that is pretty common on big brother.  The claims on radio were from 'John's father, who is angry about the allegations of sexual abuse toward his son.  He said his son had told him that she had talked about how she wanted to be turkey slapped and that it had been kind of an ongoing joke in the house, but none of the context was aired on tv.  If she did make those comments, I don't think it was very bright, even if she just meant it as a joke.  If she didn't make those comments, then John is probably trying to clear his name by lying to his family.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree with your analysis of her behaviour&#8230; </p>
<p>&#8220;her behaviour wasn’t out of character for someone who has had an unwanted sexual experience with someone you really like. you’re confused, you wonder how you got into that situation, you wish it would all just disappear and return to normal etc. etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think &#8220;she was asking for it&#8221; just by jumping into bed with them- that is pretty common on big brother.  The claims on radio were from &#8216;John&#8217;s father, who is angry about the allegations of sexual abuse toward his son.  He said his son had told him that she had talked about how she wanted to be turkey slapped and that it had been kind of an ongoing joke in the house, but none of the context was aired on tv.  If she did make those comments, I don&#8217;t think it was very bright, even if she just meant it as a joke.  If she didn&#8217;t make those comments, then John is probably trying to clear his name by lying to his family.</p>
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		<title>By: cheryl</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142349</link>
		<dc:creator>cheryl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 02:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142349</guid>
		<description>hi laura... i saw the bit where camilla was talkling in the room on her own with big brother. she talked about how she felt very uncomfortable when it happened, that they took it too far, and they stopped it when she asked. 

from what i saw on sunday night (and i didn't see much), her behaviour wasn't out of character for someone who has had an unwanted sexual experience with someone you really like. you're confused, you wonder how you got into that situation, you wish it would all just disappear and return to normal etc. etc.

i think the comment you heard on the radio makes me feel sick because i hear it so often in situations like this... "she was asking for it"... "she really wanted it to happen"... 

to the boys credit, they stopped when she asked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi laura&#8230; i saw the bit where camilla was talkling in the room on her own with big brother. she talked about how she felt very uncomfortable when it happened, that they took it too far, and they stopped it when she asked. </p>
<p>from what i saw on sunday night (and i didn&#8217;t see much), her behaviour wasn&#8217;t out of character for someone who has had an unwanted sexual experience with someone you really like. you&#8217;re confused, you wonder how you got into that situation, you wish it would all just disappear and return to normal etc. etc.</p>
<p>i think the comment you heard on the radio makes me feel sick because i hear it so often in situations like this&#8230; &#8220;she was asking for it&#8221;&#8230; &#8220;she really wanted it to happen&#8221;&#8230; </p>
<p>to the boys credit, they stopped when she asked.</p>
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		<title>By: Toddy</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142339</link>
		<dc:creator>Toddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 01:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142339</guid>
		<description>There's every chance that they may be editing out references to outside people's names &#38; stories.  We don't get 'uplate' 'darn 'ere in cuhntreh (down here in the country...) but there have been bleeps on other segments of the show where I couldn't imagine swearing being an issue.

But on the whole issue of BB - people say they want to know how young(ish) people live - this is how they live!  If you want to know, watch. If you don't want to (or think it's 'stupid' - like it's the only 'stupid' show on TV!) then don't watch.

Not hard...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s every chance that they may be editing out references to outside people&#8217;s names &amp; stories.  We don&#8217;t get &#8216;uplate&#8217; &#8216;darn &#8216;ere in cuhntreh (down here in the country&#8230;) but there have been bleeps on other segments of the show where I couldn&#8217;t imagine swearing being an issue.</p>
<p>But on the whole issue of BB - people say they want to know how young(ish) people live - this is how they live!  If you want to know, watch. If you don&#8217;t want to (or think it&#8217;s &#8217;stupid&#8217; - like it&#8217;s the only &#8217;stupid&#8217; show on TV!) then don&#8217;t watch.</p>
<p>Not hard&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Laura</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142333</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142333</guid>
		<description>Well, it's obviously all rumour and hearsay at the moment and I was just repeating what I had heard on the radio- not claiming it as absolute truth. 

I thought Camilla looked uncomfortable on the video, but although I'm not an avid watcher of big brother, I've seen enough to know that she has no problem openly criticising others in the house.  I wouldn't consider her to be someone who has difficulty standing up for herself.  Yet, on  the Sunday when the boys were kicked out, she was clearly upset that they had gone, said she wasn't offended and she knew it was meant in fun.  She also said that they stopped when she told them to stop.

I'm not sure what they censor on BB, Dan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s obviously all rumour and hearsay at the moment and I was just repeating what I had heard on the radio- not claiming it as absolute truth. </p>
<p>I thought Camilla looked uncomfortable on the video, but although I&#8217;m not an avid watcher of big brother, I&#8217;ve seen enough to know that she has no problem openly criticising others in the house.  I wouldn&#8217;t consider her to be someone who has difficulty standing up for herself.  Yet, on  the Sunday when the boys were kicked out, she was clearly upset that they had gone, said she wasn&#8217;t offended and she knew it was meant in fun.  She also said that they stopped when she told them to stop.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what they censor on BB, Dan.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142269</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jul 2006 07:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/04/of-assault-and-fantastic-housemates/#comment-142269</guid>
		<description>In a related issue, while flipping over from forensic investigators last night, I noticed that they were bleeping out some of the conversation on big bogan uplate.  But they were letting the f-word through.  I assume it was the C-word.  Do they still censor that on BB?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a related issue, while flipping over from forensic investigators last night, I noticed that they were bleeping out some of the conversation on big bogan uplate.  But they were letting the f-word through.  I assume it was the C-word.  Do they still censor that on BB?</p>
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