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	<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/</link>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143493</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Jul 2006 11:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143493</guid>
		<description>Can you relate it to your church experience at all?</description>
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		<title>By: Bring Back EP at LP</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143434</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back EP at LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 23:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143434</guid>
		<description>It is all up to the church involved and I do stress church not denomination!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is all up to the church involved and I do stress church not denomination!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143392</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:24:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143392</guid>
		<description>Homer, what's your take on orders (lay and or clerical) in this day and age?  Do you feel they add ot the life of the Church?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homer, what&#8217;s your take on orders (lay and or clerical) in this day and age?  Do you feel they add ot the life of the Church?</p>
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		<title>By: Bring Back EP at LP</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143388</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back EP at LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143388</guid>
		<description>No Dan, the Anglican denomination still has reformed its structure it inherited from the Catholics which itself borrowed from the Army of the day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Dan, the Anglican denomination still has reformed its structure it inherited from the Catholics which itself borrowed from the Army of the day!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143387</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143387</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/tallskinnykiwi/2005/02/my_night_of_abs.html" title="My Night of Absolute horror" rel="nofollow"&gt;Tall Skinny Kiwi &lt;/a&gt;was over in England last year (apparently after a bit of a European jaunt) and he was at a service where Peter Greig spoke about a loosely connected order known as the Mustard Seed Order.

This from Andrew:

&lt;em&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;One guy got up and talked about his idea for a ring. He was inspired by the vow of &lt;a href="http://www.zinzendorf.com/countz.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Count Zinzendorf &lt;/a&gt;and the quote “None of us lives for himself”. 

The vow-making was connected to this quote, he said. He also mentioned a dream in which there were thousands of rings, worn by young people who had taken this vow, and on the ring it said something like (and i cant remember the exact words) “none of us live for ourselves”. 
Pete Greig got up and shared a little about vows - how people like Mother Teresa had taken 10 years to think through her vow. He mentioned others as well. And then he told everyone that he was taking this new vow tonight along with some of the others. 
Pete also talked about the building - the building we were in - how the Clapham Sect had started here, William Wilberforce had preached here, Issac Watts had lead singing here. In fact, we sang one of his hymns as part of the worship. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

I think there is a whole lot to be said for movements such as this and for religious orders and associations.  In our Anglican tradition we have nuns, brothers and of course priests, but we also have lay orders such as the 3rd order of St Francis and the Society of St Luke (healing and wellness) - we have lay and clergy associatoins such as Cursillo and it seems that those who are involved in these groups, orders, associatoins are the ones who are the most active in their parish and in the diocese.

Where ever Cursillo has gone it has brought lay renewal and devotion to the gospel.  I for one think orders are a great thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://tallskinnykiwi.typepad.com/tallskinnykiwi/2005/02/my_night_of_abs.html" title="My Night of Absolute horror" rel="nofollow">Tall Skinny Kiwi </a>was over in England last year (apparently after a bit of a European jaunt) and he was at a service where Peter Greig spoke about a loosely connected order known as the Mustard Seed Order.</p>
<p>This from Andrew:</p>
<p><em><br />
<blockquote>One guy got up and talked about his idea for a ring. He was inspired by the vow of <a href="http://www.zinzendorf.com/countz.htm" rel="nofollow">Count Zinzendorf </a>and the quote “None of us lives for himself”. </p>
<p>The vow-making was connected to this quote, he said. He also mentioned a dream in which there were thousands of rings, worn by young people who had taken this vow, and on the ring it said something like (and i cant remember the exact words) “none of us live for ourselves”.<br />
Pete Greig got up and shared a little about vows - how people like Mother Teresa had taken 10 years to think through her vow. He mentioned others as well. And then he told everyone that he was taking this new vow tonight along with some of the others.<br />
Pete also talked about the building - the building we were in - how the Clapham Sect had started here, William Wilberforce had preached here, Issac Watts had lead singing here. In fact, we sang one of his hymns as part of the worship. </p></blockquote>
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<p>I think there is a whole lot to be said for movements such as this and for religious orders and associations.  In our Anglican tradition we have nuns, brothers and of course priests, but we also have lay orders such as the 3rd order of St Francis and the Society of St Luke (healing and wellness) - we have lay and clergy associatoins such as Cursillo and it seems that those who are involved in these groups, orders, associatoins are the ones who are the most active in their parish and in the diocese.</p>
<p>Where ever Cursillo has gone it has brought lay renewal and devotion to the gospel.  I for one think orders are a great thing.</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143384</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2006 00:06:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143384</guid>
		<description>Decentralised like, say, the Anglican church?</description>
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		<title>By: Bring Back EP at LP</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143382</link>
		<dc:creator>Bring Back EP at LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 23:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143382</guid>
		<description>The reason the Prots didn't like the orders weren't the orders perse' but the doctrine behind it. It lacked biblical support.
Moreover I do not believe Mr Metcalf has given a lot of thought behind his thinking of an organisation.
Centralised organisations have no place in the Church. It is decentralised organisations that can deal with growth not centralised ones hence we see in the N/T a highly decentralised organisational structure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason the Prots didn&#8217;t like the orders weren&#8217;t the orders perse&#8217; but the doctrine behind it. It lacked biblical support.<br />
Moreover I do not believe Mr Metcalf has given a lot of thought behind his thinking of an organisation.<br />
Centralised organisations have no place in the Church. It is decentralised organisations that can deal with growth not centralised ones hence we see in the N/T a highly decentralised organisational structure.</p>
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		<title>By: phil</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143379</link>
		<dc:creator>phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:40:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143379</guid>
		<description>Blue Shoes - it was Phil that made this post. I think we will have to bold type the author's name :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blue Shoes - it was Phil that made this post. I think we will have to bold type the author&#8217;s name <img src='http://www.signposts.org.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Blue Shoes</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143378</link>
		<dc:creator>Blue Shoes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/07/18/greatest-error-of-protestant-tradition/#comment-143378</guid>
		<description>I agree with Sam Metcalf on this point. Coming from a High Anglican Church in Christchurch that had strong links with the Community of the Sacred Name, an Anglican Nunnery, I see the bonuses of such women.

Sister S helped me and my predecessor run our Youth Group. She was young, energetic and spoke at the youth's level. She was from Tonga but had lived most of her youth in Fiji.

At CSN it is obvious that the Nuns were getting older and that those who were young were from the Islands. My concern is that if we rely too heavily on these orders what will happen when they become irrelevant, and will this happen?

Thank you for such an interesting post Dan, it has made me think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Sam Metcalf on this point. Coming from a High Anglican Church in Christchurch that had strong links with the Community of the Sacred Name, an Anglican Nunnery, I see the bonuses of such women.</p>
<p>Sister S helped me and my predecessor run our Youth Group. She was young, energetic and spoke at the youth&#8217;s level. She was from Tonga but had lived most of her youth in Fiji.</p>
<p>At CSN it is obvious that the Nuns were getting older and that those who were young were from the Islands. My concern is that if we rely too heavily on these orders what will happen when they become irrelevant, and will this happen?</p>
<p>Thank you for such an interesting post Dan, it has made me think.</p>
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