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		<title>By: Tommy</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-145965</link>
		<dc:creator>Tommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 13:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Greg when refering to Willisee, he's a hard man to fool. That night on Denton... mike seemed somewhat transformed, the beauty of God's Grace seemed of him. As Willisee said ... "faith is a gift".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Greg when refering to Willisee, he&#8217;s a hard man to fool. That night on Denton&#8230; mike seemed somewhat transformed, the beauty of God&#8217;s Grace seemed of him. As Willisee said &#8230; &#8220;faith is a gift&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-145011</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's hard to imagine anything or anyone pulling the wool over Mike Willisee's eyes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s hard to imagine anything or anyone pulling the wool over Mike Willisee&#8217;s eyes</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-145009</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I saw the interview too... I'm not "into" all that stigmata stuff, but the fact it shook up a then skeptical investigative journalist makes you think there could be something to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I saw the interview too&#8230; I&#8217;m not &#8220;into&#8221; all that stigmata stuff, but the fact it shook up a then skeptical investigative journalist makes you think there could be something to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-145008</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 03:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-145008</guid>
		<description>appearance of stigmata coudl very well be a psychosomatic thing - but the woman concerned (Catya Revas) also started writing in a language she had never learnt!!! Go figure..I remember watching the documentary that Mike filmed with this stigmata event and thinking that it was quite an impressive moment.   It went to air in Austrlai arounf 2000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>appearance of stigmata coudl very well be a psychosomatic thing - but the woman concerned (Catya Revas) also started writing in a language she had never learnt!!! Go figure..I remember watching the documentary that Mike filmed with this stigmata event and thinking that it was quite an impressive moment.   It went to air in Austrlai arounf 2000</p>
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		<title>By: Lionfish</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-145003</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2006 02:48:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-145003</guid>
		<description>Last Night Andrew Denton interviewed Mike Willissee who made a documentary on Miracles, specifically the live occurrence of stigmata which was filmed and went to air to 120(?) million viewers in the US.

He is writing a book on his findings on the analysis of blood on the Shroud of Turin.


http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1718105.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last Night Andrew Denton interviewed Mike Willissee who made a documentary on Miracles, specifically the live occurrence of stigmata which was filmed and went to air to 120(?) million viewers in the US.</p>
<p>He is writing a book on his findings on the analysis of blood on the Shroud of Turin.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1718105.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.abc.net.au/tv/enoughrope/transcripts/s1718105.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Dowsett</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-144990</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Dowsett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 19:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-144990</guid>
		<description>Hi...I haven't looked in for a few days (we had a baby)...but wanted to pick up on the quote Veritas posted about Enoch Adeboye...

I was on the staff of an Anglican/Baptist church for 5 1/2 years.  We had contacts in Nigeria; some of our senior staff have visited the Holy Ghost nights in Lagos, and Pastor Adeboye came and spoke at our church once when he was visiting England.

I just want to advise caution when it comes to reading/viewing things that are reported in the press, whether Christian or secular.  Given the context of the article Veritas quotes from, the section he cites is used to discredit Adeboye as a health and weath teacher...but it sounds to me like he might just have been singing about a heaven - a time, and place, where orthodox Christians of all traditions historically believe that there will be no more sickness, no more failure...take a look at Revelation 21:1-8, to which I too would respond, "Yes Lord, I believe!"

Moreover, the principle of sowing and reaping is found in several places throughout the Bible, and is not restricted in any way to a prosperity gospel...

A while back I watched a programme on TV, investigating the role of the Roman Catholic Church in a South American nation where teenage girls are routinely raped by their fathers (i.e. this is normal, not just a too-common exceptional circumstance) and them abandoned when they get pregnant because their good Catholic dads won't use condoms...In the programme, several senior Catholic leaders, both in that nation and at the Vatican, were questioned about the role of the Church in this horrific context.  Every one who was interviewed maintained that the men were good Catholics because they wouldn't use condoms, which are a great evil.  Not once did any of the Church leaders say they were bad Catholics because they raped their daughters, or that the Church had any responsibility to preach against such behaviour.  Or, at any rate, if any of them did express any concern or any pastoral response, those answers were edited out, because it was not in the interests of the film maker to include them...

Please, please, let's not be naive about reports in the media.  And, again, let us not be too hasty to judge our brothers and sisters, even when we believe them to be in error...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi&#8230;I haven&#8217;t looked in for a few days (we had a baby)&#8230;but wanted to pick up on the quote Veritas posted about Enoch Adeboye&#8230;</p>
<p>I was on the staff of an Anglican/Baptist church for 5 1/2 years.  We had contacts in Nigeria; some of our senior staff have visited the Holy Ghost nights in Lagos, and Pastor Adeboye came and spoke at our church once when he was visiting England.</p>
<p>I just want to advise caution when it comes to reading/viewing things that are reported in the press, whether Christian or secular.  Given the context of the article Veritas quotes from, the section he cites is used to discredit Adeboye as a health and weath teacher&#8230;but it sounds to me like he might just have been singing about a heaven - a time, and place, where orthodox Christians of all traditions historically believe that there will be no more sickness, no more failure&#8230;take a look at Revelation 21:1-8, to which I too would respond, &#8220;Yes Lord, I believe!&#8221;</p>
<p>Moreover, the principle of sowing and reaping is found in several places throughout the Bible, and is not restricted in any way to a prosperity gospel&#8230;</p>
<p>A while back I watched a programme on TV, investigating the role of the Roman Catholic Church in a South American nation where teenage girls are routinely raped by their fathers (i.e. this is normal, not just a too-common exceptional circumstance) and them abandoned when they get pregnant because their good Catholic dads won&#8217;t use condoms&#8230;In the programme, several senior Catholic leaders, both in that nation and at the Vatican, were questioned about the role of the Church in this horrific context.  Every one who was interviewed maintained that the men were good Catholics because they wouldn&#8217;t use condoms, which are a great evil.  Not once did any of the Church leaders say they were bad Catholics because they raped their daughters, or that the Church had any responsibility to preach against such behaviour.  Or, at any rate, if any of them did express any concern or any pastoral response, those answers were edited out, because it was not in the interests of the film maker to include them&#8230;</p>
<p>Please, please, let&#8217;s not be naive about reports in the media.  And, again, let us not be too hasty to judge our brothers and sisters, even when we believe them to be in error&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: oygle</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-144987</link>
		<dc:creator>oygle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 12:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-144987</guid>
		<description>As "the rev" says, it is not only third-world countries, but others as well (I mean to say, God is omnipresent). Have read many accounts of people being raised from the dead, and a friend told me recently he has raised the dead once, ... I believe him, it's possible.

Even though I do believe in miracles, I personally have struggled with a chronic illness for many years, and as someone pointed out, there has been the 'barrage' of "you have sin in your life, that's why you are not healed" or "ye of little faith", etc,etc. I have learnt to ignore those comments, knowing that whether I am in good health or poor health, my blessed Saviour Jesus Christ is with me through this, when all has been stripped away, let's face it, there is only God, so the short term 'bad', turns out to be VERY good.

I think I would have 'more faith' to believe for someone elses healing than my own. That is mostly fuelled by my acceptance of the things I cannot change. Reading Job (a lot) showed me different things, like what stood out for me, was that Job's friends were the ones who gave him "the information he didn't need to hear", in short, they were of no help to him. Advice comes cheap, and usually at the wrong time. Little has changed today.

Miracles, yes I do believe in them, healing itself can be instantaneous or long term, or sometimes, not at all. I do not have all the reasons why, or why not, ... nor does anyone else for that matter.

Only the great "I AM" knows.

Whether the healing is short term or long term, use the time wisely, to learn from Him, there are lessons along the way, this journey that leads to God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As &#8220;the rev&#8221; says, it is not only third-world countries, but others as well (I mean to say, God is omnipresent). Have read many accounts of people being raised from the dead, and a friend told me recently he has raised the dead once, &#8230; I believe him, it&#8217;s possible.</p>
<p>Even though I do believe in miracles, I personally have struggled with a chronic illness for many years, and as someone pointed out, there has been the &#8216;barrage&#8217; of &#8220;you have sin in your life, that&#8217;s why you are not healed&#8221; or &#8220;ye of little faith&#8221;, etc,etc. I have learnt to ignore those comments, knowing that whether I am in good health or poor health, my blessed Saviour Jesus Christ is with me through this, when all has been stripped away, let&#8217;s face it, there is only God, so the short term &#8216;bad&#8217;, turns out to be VERY good.</p>
<p>I think I would have &#8216;more faith&#8217; to believe for someone elses healing than my own. That is mostly fuelled by my acceptance of the things I cannot change. Reading Job (a lot) showed me different things, like what stood out for me, was that Job&#8217;s friends were the ones who gave him &#8220;the information he didn&#8217;t need to hear&#8221;, in short, they were of no help to him. Advice comes cheap, and usually at the wrong time. Little has changed today.</p>
<p>Miracles, yes I do believe in them, healing itself can be instantaneous or long term, or sometimes, not at all. I do not have all the reasons why, or why not, &#8230; nor does anyone else for that matter.</p>
<p>Only the great &#8220;I AM&#8221; knows.</p>
<p>Whether the healing is short term or long term, use the time wisely, to learn from Him, there are lessons along the way, this journey that leads to God.</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-144972</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 06:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-144972</guid>
		<description>An article from the chrisianpost back in 03 - 

In Africa, a big part of the success of Pentecostal movements, scholars say, rests on the ability to tap into traditional cosmology, in which gods have long been solicited in pursuit of specific, worldly favors.

"God has become a modern-day juju God," said Chichi Aniagolu, a Nigerian sociologist and a Catholic who, by her own admission, dips into Pentecostal services. "You appease him. You bring him yams, goats, make sacrifices, and you get what you want. Today, you're not making sacrifices. You're giving tithes."

Churches have become formidable economic empires. Most troubling to critics is the enrichment of enterprising preachers, who say their fine cars and expensive suits can convince others of what God's grace can provide. Critics accuse them of duping the poor and doing little to ease poverty or repair endemic corruption.

 From the stage at the Redemption Camp outside Lagos on a recent evening came a gospel of success.
..

"There will be no more sickness," sang Pastor Enoch A. Adeboye, the general overseer of the vast empire known as the Redeemed Church of Christ.

"Yes, Lord, I believe," the worshipers, more than 100,000 of them, sang back.

"There will be no more failure," the pastor sang.

"Yes, Lord, I believe," answered the crowd. "Yes, Lord."

Like other proponents of prosperity theology, the pastor likes to remind his congregation that God multiplies what the faithful give to the church. "If you don't sow, you don't reap," he says.

"I have heard God speak," the pastor went on, "and I can tell you, I have heard the sound of abundance." 

see full article at 
http://world.christianpost.com/article.htm?aid=99&#38;dat=20031015</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An article from the chrisianpost back in 03 - </p>
<p>In Africa, a big part of the success of Pentecostal movements, scholars say, rests on the ability to tap into traditional cosmology, in which gods have long been solicited in pursuit of specific, worldly favors.</p>
<p>&#8220;God has become a modern-day juju God,&#8221; said Chichi Aniagolu, a Nigerian sociologist and a Catholic who, by her own admission, dips into Pentecostal services. &#8220;You appease him. You bring him yams, goats, make sacrifices, and you get what you want. Today, you&#8217;re not making sacrifices. You&#8217;re giving tithes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Churches have become formidable economic empires. Most troubling to critics is the enrichment of enterprising preachers, who say their fine cars and expensive suits can convince others of what God&#8217;s grace can provide. Critics accuse them of duping the poor and doing little to ease poverty or repair endemic corruption.</p>
<p> From the stage at the Redemption Camp outside Lagos on a recent evening came a gospel of success.<br />
..</p>
<p>&#8220;There will be no more sickness,&#8221; sang Pastor Enoch A. Adeboye, the general overseer of the vast empire known as the Redeemed Church of Christ.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, Lord, I believe,&#8221; the worshipers, more than 100,000 of them, sang back.</p>
<p>&#8220;There will be no more failure,&#8221; the pastor sang.</p>
<p>&#8220;Yes, Lord, I believe,&#8221; answered the crowd. &#8220;Yes, Lord.&#8221;</p>
<p>Like other proponents of prosperity theology, the pastor likes to remind his congregation that God multiplies what the faithful give to the church. &#8220;If you don&#8217;t sow, you don&#8217;t reap,&#8221; he says.</p>
<p>&#8220;I have heard God speak,&#8221; the pastor went on, &#8220;and I can tell you, I have heard the sound of abundance.&#8221; </p>
<p>see full article at<br />
<a href="http://world.christianpost.com/article.htm?aid=99&amp;dat=20031015" rel="nofollow">http://world.christianpost.com/article.htm?aid=99&amp;dat=20031015</a></p>
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		<title>By: abtruth</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-144964</link>
		<dc:creator>abtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 03:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-144964</guid>
		<description>i was going to cut and paste things i agreed with in your comment 100 dan but would have ended up repeating the entire comment verbatim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was going to cut and paste things i agreed with in your comment 100 dan but would have ended up repeating the entire comment verbatim</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-144962</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Aug 2006 02:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/08/15/miracles-of-healing/#comment-144962</guid>
		<description>Thought I would add this in another comment.

Was driving with one of my bosses between offices this week and we drove past the church in Parkdale (I think) that was destroyed by fire recently.  My boss told me that it was exciting a fair amount of interest because in the ruins, there was a "sign from god".  During the fire, some vent covers had burned (or allowed oxygen into the fire or something).  The soot had been forced through the holes in the vent covers in four directions, leaving soot trails on the wall.  The soot trail pointing towards the ground was elongated as a result of the effect of gravity eventually making a greater amount of soot flow downwards.  The effect?  A series of near perfectly shaped christian crosses at intervals across the wall of this burnt church.

He said that some were saying that it was a miracle.  I wondered whether it is possible to call something a miracle if you know the scientific explanation for how it happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I would add this in another comment.</p>
<p>Was driving with one of my bosses between offices this week and we drove past the church in Parkdale (I think) that was destroyed by fire recently.  My boss told me that it was exciting a fair amount of interest because in the ruins, there was a &#8220;sign from god&#8221;.  During the fire, some vent covers had burned (or allowed oxygen into the fire or something).  The soot had been forced through the holes in the vent covers in four directions, leaving soot trails on the wall.  The soot trail pointing towards the ground was elongated as a result of the effect of gravity eventually making a greater amount of soot flow downwards.  The effect?  A series of near perfectly shaped christian crosses at intervals across the wall of this burnt church.</p>
<p>He said that some were saying that it was a miracle.  I wondered whether it is possible to call something a miracle if you know the scientific explanation for how it happened.</p>
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