If you’re a visitor and Russ has debunked your pastors teaching on tithing then take it up with him. Ask him personally why he cannot or will not respond to Russ. I think if you do have the courage to do that you’ll receive the exact same response that Russ has - a dead wall of silence.

One other thing Russ, will you take on Phil Pringle? I’m happy to forward you a paper I have written debunking his tithe doctrine as found in his “Keys to Financial Excellence”. Alas tho Russ, I am a no more than a lay-person and do not have a “Phd” in theology…

On ya Russ!

WIGGY

That is why man’s INCOME was not to be considered a tithe.

Does that make sense? It does to me.

I have just updated my 16 point essay to include a discussion of money in Genesis. http://www.shouldthechurchteachtithing.com

“Tithing - Did not become a widespread Christian practice until the eighth century. The tithe was taken from the 10% rent-charge used in the Roman Empire and later justified by the Old Testament.

Clergy Salaries - Insituted by Constantine in the fourth century.”

You realise that Ray Smith who writes all the content for that site is of all things a Universalist don’t you? Matt from carm.org would be ashamed of you Oygle… Associating with the enemy, what were you thinking? Hah, just kdding mate but funny from my POV seeing as from what I recall of your previous posts you are fairly anti-UR.

WIGGY

The world wide Church of God had the courage to change and has now dropped the tithe completely!

http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/sct/sct20.htm

and

http://www.wcg.org/lit/law/tithing.htm

http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page17.html

33. Beware ‘leaders’ who promise ‘Wealth and Health?’

The worldwide Church of God (Armstrongism) is now apparently undergoing reform, but the leaders still refuse to accept the way in which they were duped. At their worst they taught that God required two (sometimes three) tenths of every church member’s income as well as regular ‘free-will’ offerings. Many members lived in poverty and even acquired debts rather than risk ‘robbing God’ of His tithe money, only to discover years later that the money they supposedly gave ‘to God’ was spent by the leading ministers on luxurious homes, private airplanes and exotic pleasure trips (cf. the Word-Faith leaders)! Their financial sacrifices had been required to ‘help meet the expenses of the ministry’ or to contribute toward ‘a unique opportunity to witness to world leaders’! The Moonies work a similar scam!

It is always a telling commentary on any religious organisation if the ministers get richer and the congregation poorer! Go to a Word-Faith meeting and watch the followers drive away in their poor to middle-of-the-road cars. And then watch the leaders drive away in their luxury cars or fly off in their private jets! Of course, this is because the leaders are practicing what they preach and have the faith to talk to their ‘fat wallets’ and ‘healthy bodies’ while the followers are weak in the faith. This is what they would tell you - but the truth is that the followers are like the duped in the Emperors Clothes ‘fairy-tale’ of Hans Christian Andersen. It was only when the young child shouted, ‘The Emperor has no clothes!’ that the scales fell from their eyes! We need to ask why Jesus did not live like the wealthy Word-Faith preachers:

“Jesus said “The foxes have holes, and the birds of the air have nests; but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay His head’” (Matthew 8:20)

http://www.thechristianexpositor.org/page8.html