I’m not even sure what that means, since what’s masculine and feminine is at least in part culturally/socially constructed.

as for “liking their men a bit blokey” - well, I don’t consider objectificatin of women, or blaming women for sexual hangups, to have anything to do with being a “bloke” if what a “bloke” is. I dunno who you define as a “bloke”, but none of the “blokes” I know consider sexual harassment the fault of the woman. And I think I hang out with a fairly “blokey” bunch, considering many of my uni friends work in the mining industry…

As for your generalisations about men, sexual hangups and the old testament you have apparently not included Esther or Ruth or Rahab in your thinking. What of Lot’s two daughters? Potiphars wife? Delilah and her seduction of Samson.

Of course there are plentiful references to male subjugation of women in the Jewish Scriptures; I am not saying that what you refer to is not true, however to generalise and continue propogating stereotypes in gender politics is neither helpful or neccesarily accurate.

Hmm - i think we’ve done the burqua conversation. I have very much appreciated you challenging my perspectives and it has absolutely helped me to clarify my thinking on this. Thank you.

Aussie values??? Men will be men, mate, regardless of culture!! They’ve been blaming women for their sexual hangups and lack of sexual control for a few millenium now - eg Old Testament! It’s always the women’s fault. Women were to blame for sexual harassment until the last decade or so because of …let’s pick….what they wore! That’ll do. Actually they did a survey asking men what women wore to work that they considered ‘asking for atention or ’sexy’…..lace (yes!!!), satin (yes!), silk (yes!), linen(yes), wool (yes), cotton (yes), synthetics (yes), hessian(yes!) black plastic rubbish bags (yes!!!)…..?? :>)

Actually, I think my Aussie girlfriends like their men a bit blokey…gotta love and accept them as they ARE….(what do you think Lance?) :>)

Think of the inflammatory reaction that the colour orange would provoke if worn in the wrong place.

Thik of the inflammatory reaction of a piece of calcoum passing it’s way through the wrong place in a persons body - now that provokes some sort of feeling deep down that I ahve experienced first hand Roger.

and in case your wondering - yes I will milk as much as I can out of this …”episode”…

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