http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=16067776&blogID=187044923&Mytoken=0EB199EB-6034-4B13-970E4558DE2E0A2820965573

“Listen, if you’re a Hindu, first I’m gonna make fun of you, automatic.

That is a dumb religion. If you’re a Hindu, and you have the little red dot on your forehead…..did you know that everyone who breaks into my house is a Hindu?

And then I convert ‘em. Don’t shoot. Everyone who breaks into my house is a Hindu.

Because they have a little red dot moving right ’round here on their forehead.

That’s called a laser sight…and then I replace it with a smoking hole.”

You are correct … each week you hear 8 minutes on tithing which there is no mandate for Christians in the Scriptures. But have you ever heard a sermon from these Pastors on St Pauls two clear mandates:

1 Rom 13:6 “That’s also why you pay taxes—so that an orderly way of life can be maintained. Fulfill your obligations as a citizen. Pay your taxes, pay your bills, respect your leaders”.

1 Tim 5:8 “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

Matthew: “Give unto Caesar what is Caesars”

This is why these Churches do not have AGM’s where questions can be asked.

This is beacuse the wolves in sheeps clothing want your cash, and don’t pay their share of taxes like every one else.

Allan, the tax-fiddling is more complex than you think.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR1fbRMZGzw

BTW great find Lance.

It’s become evident that I haven’t been ‘notorious’ enough lately.

So here is a recording of a pastor, describing how he would deny assistance to someone in need, if they weren’t tithing.

The pastor is Rich Witmer of Generations Church in Yuma, Arizona.

The audio was recorded by a local Marines Sergeant in Yuma, who was investigating why one of his Marines, a Generations Church member, was in financial trouble.

This is the audio.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_8Np5U5iPX8

And here is a transcript of the conversation between Pastor Rich, a man I presume to be the Marines Sergeant, and someone named ‘Joe’.
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“(pastor Rich Witmer)…..”but also another thing too….is a guy like this ….if he called up and said … ‘now we’re in a jam..we can’t make our house payment…you know…we’re really having a problem right now’……the first thing I’d do.. is I’d have her….talk to the administrative girl…… find out if they’re tithing. And the way that she’d do it…is just to look and see if there was a regular amount coming in.

You know…because we don’t ..(inaudible)….and if they were… we’d write ‘em a cheque ….you know what I mean? But if they don’t …”

(unidentified man) ..”so….if they tithe….then you help them out …if they don’t then ….”

(pastor) “well….this is the funny thing….this might really …really mess with your head, but if it’s a person who doesn’t go to the church at all…doesn’t go to any church…..if they don’t ..then we’ll help them……but if they come to the church…….”

(unidentified man) “You can have ..a member …a church member… who isn’t tithing…or isn’t tithing regularly …they all of a sudden need help….they’re S-O-L …we’ll tell ‘em (inaudible)…”

(unidentified man) “wow”

(pastor) “And let me tell you why……let’s say you’re tithing. And let’s say this guy sitting right here, Joe, he doesn’t tithe. Should I take your money and give it to him?”

(unidentified man) “I have a question about your philosophy …the ethics of your philosophy….”

(another unidentified man) “that’s awesome… I like that..”

(unidentified man) “No I’m serious because …it doesn’t seem like you should….if you have…a group of people following you ….or using….your house….your house of worship … and for whatever reason..one of them isn’t tithing…and they need help… then…you’re not gonna help them…that’s no…that’s very surprising to me…”

(pastor) “We’re gonna teach ‘em about tithing.”
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There are more secret recordings of the pastor on the Marines Sergeant’s blog here…talking about the church controlling politics, and some interesting comments about Hindus and burglars.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=16067776&MyToken=19317551-0ede-4a5f-bcef-e7f6cff81683ML

And here is some background of the Marines Sergeant ..doing the secret recordings.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=16067776

“Background regarding my blogs:

I am a Marine gunnery sergeant stationed in Yuma, Ariz. When I arrived here in March of 2006, I took over as a supervisor for an office of about 10 Marines. Almost immediately upon my arrival, one of the Marines who worked for me started aggressively suggesting I go with him to Generations Church. I didn’t want to, and I told him so. Although I made my feelings about being recruited clear, it didn’t stop him from using his aggressive recruiting tactics on other Marines who arrived for duty in my office.

At first, I didn’t think much of it; I figured that if a Marine wants to go to this church, then he/she could. However, within a couple of months other Marines in my office approached me because they were beginning to feel “harassed” and “pressured” into attending Generations Church. I immediately put a stop to all church recruitment activity within the office space.

The Marine who was bent on recruiting members for his church eventually did get a newly arrived PFC to join Generations.

This Marine began to have financial difficulties that caused me some concern. Although the Marine maintained that he would be ok and that he would be taken care of, his finances were suffering. I made arrangements for the Marine to get professional budget and financial counseling, which he attended and later indicated was beneficial.

Eventually, my discussions with the Marine turned to his tithing behaviors and his feelings toward giving money to God. When I inquired how much he “tithed,” the Marine explained that he tithed 10 percent of his gross income. I then asked him how much that came out to be, and he said that he gave somewhere between $250-$300. When I pointed out that a PFC only makes $1,427 a month (10 percent of which is equal to $140), he explained that he was supposed to tithe everything that the government gave him … before taxes.

This is what the government gave him:

-$1,427 for base pay — this is the actual monthly salary taxable by the IRS.

-$850 (approx.) for housing — but the government immediately deducted this money because the Marine lived in base housing, so he never even gets this money.

-$250 (approx.) for food — not taxable.

The Marine was basing his “tithe” on the sum of these payments, even though the Marine was never even seeing the $850 for housing in his paycheck. After all taxes and deductions, the Marine took home barely over $800 per month. To me, a “tithe” of over $250 of a take-home pay of $800 seemed excessive — it was almost 35 percent of his net pay! Yet, the Marine explained, this is what his church taught him.

I told the Marine that I thought he was paying too much for his tithes, and I asked him if I could speak to his pastor about it. The Marine enthusiastically permitted me to speak to the pastor on his behalf, and I made an appointment to do so.

I made an appointment to speak with Rich at Generations Church on Aug. 24, 2006. We spoke for almost two hours, and I became increasingly suspicious of the pastor’s motives. My concern about my Marine’s finances and tithing behavior grew into a concern for everyone who attended Generations.

My blogs are the result of my quest to expose what I believe is a cult that preys on young Marines and civilians in the Yuma community.

Since I’ve started posting blogs regarding my feelings about Generations, the head pastor himself has publicly berated me, called me names, and made threats against my Marine Corps career. His actions and words (and those of many members of the cult) are not only immature, but they are also very unchristian. Examples of what they have said are located throughout my blogs. Somehow, they’re proud of them.

My goal is simple: I aim to increase awareness of the cult-like behavior of Generations Church.

I am more than happy to answer your questions. However, I will not entertain silly and rude comments containing nonsensical and lengthy Bible quotations from cult members.

Sincerely,

John”