Comments on: Church & Business I

By: akevin

akevin — Thu, 26 Oct 2006 02:49:49 +0000

YEAH… I think we are on the same page. I really want an e-mail address from you. Here is one you can use for me akevin1111@gmail.com

By: wayne

wayne — Thu, 26 Oct 2006 00:53:44 +0000

“Can you really develop trust and intimacy with a co worker or fellow spectator?” I think that sums it up Kevin. The question is, is there another way other than the fast-paced, structurally organised, program-driven, spectator church that currently is the default form of church? The house-church model goes close, but has its down sides too. I’ll keep dreaming for now……

By: akevin

akevin — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 13:02:19 +0000

Somewhat dreaming, yeah… But not outside of reasonable possibility either. I think the church is headed into more relational direction. I was reading something from LifeWay the other day about a survey they did as to why people left churches. The majority issues were about people being so busy with jobs and education of children amd the fast pace required to just keep up anymore. Sadly, I think western ocieties are getting too fast. This is why Mega churches thrive today, but the Mega doesn’t offer you a family , kick back, relax in the presence of God atmosphere. It is welcome to our version of fast paced life… things to do… places to go atmosphere.

And I think you are seeing is probably prophetic as to the direction the church will go. People will come full circle to the basis of relationship church and relationship with god based Christianity. Already i am seeing a shift from to the simpler. The program driven is working becasue people identify with it becasue it runs parallel to their way of running life now. But it doesn’t provede relationship that is lacking in daily life.

A lot of people I know do not have the close friendships, They are associates of co-workers who go to ball games and movies together. Can you really develop trust and intimacy with a co worker or fellow spectator?

By: wayne

wayne — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 05:20:44 +0000

Kevin I’ll e-mail you when I get your e-mail address from Dan and Phil. I used to live in Boston from ‘83-’86 and saw the great Larry Bird play during that time. I was a huge Celtic fan then, but don’t follow the NBA so much anymore being back in Australia.

Anyway, in response to yours and Bec’s comments about the structure we had in place in our church, yes I would have that kind of structure again. However, I am at this point in time a little dissillusioned with the “organised church”. No doubt there is a place for it, and there needs to be accountability within this kind of structure. However, I would love to explore something more natural, that fits with the natural rhythms of life, that doesn’t have all the structure and organisation that requires a huge drain of resources. I have seen too many people commit themselves to the “organisation” only to find that there is a lack of genuine relationships.

Could there be such a thing as a church with no buildings, no set meeting time and place and none of the organisational structure, but built on relationships and a set of common values? I guess I’ll keep dreaming…..

By: Lionfish

Lionfish — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:38:57 +0000

By: Greg the explorer

Greg the explorer — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 22:36:46 +0000

You have mocked me for the last time…well until the next time anyway

By: Lionfish

Lionfish — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:51:57 +0000

That should be two.

By: Lionfish

Lionfish — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:51:02 +0000

Dan

Could you please upload my three new Posts:

“Last Days Evil in The Church: 2/4 Drumbeats, Prosperity Theology, Tithing, Make-up, Hairy armpits, ankle tatoo’s and Greg the Explorer”.

And

“Russell Kelly Rebuts Greg The Explorer”

By: akevin

akevin — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:37:51 +0000

oh, and Wayne. Thanks for sharing your story, i am sure it has not been a pleasant ordeal. I hear people say they want a church that is “out of the box”. Get them out of the box more than once and we see how much “box love” there is out there.

By: akevin

akevin — Tue, 24 Oct 2006 11:35:12 +0000

Dan and Phil, can you give wayne my e=mail address.

Wayne, She has asked me not to be too public about her visit. But I will e-mail you her name as soon as you e-mail me.

So Wayne, would you set that structure in place again? You know of Larry heh. He played in our region in High school and a lot of my friends run around with him. My brother in law was the Superintendent of his high school. Larry is still friends with the custodians there… dear old French Lick, Indiana. ( the town is nothing like the name leads you to believe it is).

we also have a Melbourne basketball player named Ben Allen at our own Indiana University just up the road 20 miles (???Km). Do you klnow of him?
kev

Kevin