Comments on: Weddings and interventionist theology http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/ musings from those on the journey Sat, 8 Nov 2008 22:45:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Janet http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151837 Janet Fri, 01 Dec 2006 10:39:28 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151837 Hey, I've just listened to Bono's speech to the Presidential prayer breakfast... wonderful, moving, inspiring stuff. Twenty minutes long, but worth it. One of the quotes that reflects part of what is being discussed on this thread is: "Stop asking God to bless what you're doing. Get involved with what God is already doing, because it's already blessed." Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUdrYDk8rVA Hey, I’ve just listened to Bono’s speech to the Presidential prayer breakfast… wonderful, moving, inspiring stuff. Twenty minutes long, but worth it.

One of the quotes that reflects part of what is being discussed on this thread is:

“Stop asking God to bless what you’re doing.
Get involved with what God is already doing, because it’s already blessed.”

Check it out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUdrYDk8rVA

]]> By: Janet http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151829 Janet Fri, 01 Dec 2006 06:38:29 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151829 "our prayers appear to have no more meaning than the eddies of dust in the lightest of breezes " Blestpickle... have you thought of writing a book? You write so beautifully. Maybe you and Cheryl could do a book of poems and devotions and God thoughts. Sanders... if you're vaguely interested in evidence God may have ever done something I recommend "The Case for a Creator" by Lee Strobel. I'm impressed by this book because it's actually readable for non-science graduates, but has first rate science within. “our prayers appear to have no more meaning than the eddies of dust in the lightest of breezes ”

Blestpickle… have you thought of writing a book? You write so beautifully. Maybe you and Cheryl could do a book of poems and devotions and God thoughts.

Sanders… if you’re vaguely interested in evidence God may have ever done something I recommend “The Case for a Creator” by Lee Strobel. I’m impressed by this book because it’s actually readable for non-science graduates, but has first rate science within.

]]> By: Janet http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151821 Janet Fri, 01 Dec 2006 05:27:21 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151821 Ha ha. Ha ha.

]]> By: Greg the explorer http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151769 Greg the explorer Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:40:45 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151769 Sorry...what did you say Janet Sorry…what did you say Janet

]]> By: Janet http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151724 Janet Thu, 30 Nov 2006 07:58:42 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151724 God puts it in the heart of Mother Theresa to care for the dying in Calcutta. God somehow works in Nelson Mandela so that despite years of imprisonment, he works for forgiveness and reconciliation, not revenge. God gives courage to Martin Luther King Junior to stay strong against incredible opposition, without resorting to violence or hate. Jesus even speaks into my heart and reminds me to love and to give and to serve. Not everyone's listening. God puts it in the heart of Mother Theresa to care for the dying in Calcutta. God somehow works in Nelson Mandela so that despite years of imprisonment, he works for forgiveness and reconciliation, not revenge. God gives courage to Martin Luther King Junior to stay strong against incredible opposition, without resorting to violence or hate. Jesus even speaks into my heart and reminds me to love and to give and to serve.

Not everyone’s listening.

]]> By: alan http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151719 alan Thu, 30 Nov 2006 06:57:42 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151719 Just to let you know that God's a trade unionist.Prayers were made to her to ensure that there would be no rain during the mass rally in melb against the Howard govts brutal industrial laws,and sure enough it didnt rain until after the rally finished. Dan,theres a couple of interesting articles on prayer on the following site:http://www.wku.edu/~alan.anderson/102/102Religion.html Just to let you know that God’s a trade unionist.Prayers were made to her to ensure that there would be no rain during the mass rally in melb against the Howard govts brutal industrial laws,and sure enough it didnt rain until after the rally finished.
Dan,theres a couple of interesting articles on prayer on the following site:http://www.wku.edu/~alan.anderson/102/102Religion.html

]]> By: wayne http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151707 wayne Thu, 30 Nov 2006 03:44:10 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151707 "Just what, exactly, is God allegedly doing in the world?" Good question..... He who has ears to hear, let him hear. God does what God does. Faith gets on board with it and trusts..... Pretty difficult stuff when we have our own agendas though.... “Just what, exactly, is God allegedly doing in the world?”

Good question…..

He who has ears to hear, let him hear. God does what God does. Faith gets on board with it and trusts…..

Pretty difficult stuff when we have our own agendas though….

]]> By: Greg the explorer http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151630 Greg the explorer Wed, 29 Nov 2006 04:21:34 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151630 He gets the following people to say stupid stuff: Paris Hilton John Howard Kim Beazely John 'the rev' Jensen Homer Paxton anyone from the AWB anyone from the NSW Teachers Federation anyone from the Anglican Diocese of Sydney Borat (but he's funny as well so he's ok) He gets the following people to say stupid stuff:
Paris Hilton
John Howard
Kim Beazely
John ‘the rev’ Jensen
Homer Paxton
anyone from the AWB
anyone from the NSW Teachers Federation
anyone from the Anglican Diocese of Sydney
Borat (but he’s funny as well so he’s ok)

]]> By: Sanders http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151614 Sanders Wed, 29 Nov 2006 02:59:44 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151614 Just a minute, we don't even know how God intervenes in the world. So far, we've seen that God does not intervene to stop evil or deliver good, he doesn't influence the weather. God doesn't act on our command - just exactly why the folks at Hillsong would think otherwise seems strange; maybe the're just simple-minded. Just what, exactly, is God allegedly doing in the world? Would someone give us an itemized list of how God acts in the world, then we can go through it one item at a time and see how well He's going. Just a minute, we don’t even know how God intervenes in the world. So far, we’ve seen that God does not intervene to stop evil or deliver good, he doesn’t influence the weather. God doesn’t act on our command - just exactly why the folks at Hillsong would think otherwise seems strange; maybe the’re just simple-minded.

Just what, exactly, is God allegedly doing in the world? Would someone give us an itemized list of how God acts in the world, then we can go through it one item at a time and see how well He’s going.

]]> By: blestpickle http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151603 blestpickle Wed, 29 Nov 2006 01:46:55 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/11/17/weddings-and-interventionist-theology/#comment-151603 me? I think the heart of this argument is really about the character of God. we stumble over the fact that his ways are not our ways and his thoughts are not our thoughts. God does have an agenda, if it's not too anthropomorphic to say that :) the catch is it isn't our agenda. I personally believe God is very interventionist, but not to follow our orders. he does work all things for our good (hey dan, that's 2 bible quotes in one post!!) but HE defines that good, not us. That's why His acts seem random, because they only randomly coincide with our expectations. And yet, He commands us to pray, and that is not an exercise in futility. Methinks H$ et al have it all back to front -- "faith" is not getting what we want from god, it's going on believing in His mercy and entrusting ourselves prayerfully to Him when the world is bleak and black and our prayers appear to have no more meaning than the eddies of dust in the lightest of breezes me? I think the heart of this argument is really about the character of God. we stumble over the fact that his ways are not our ways and his thoughts are not our thoughts. God does have an agenda, if it’s not too anthropomorphic to say that :) the catch is it isn’t our agenda. I personally believe God is very interventionist, but not to follow our orders. he does work all things for our good (hey dan, that’s 2 bible quotes in one post!!) but HE defines that good, not us. That’s why His acts seem random, because they only randomly coincide with our expectations. And yet, He commands us to pray, and that is not an exercise in futility. Methinks H$ et al have it all back to front — “faith” is not getting what we want from god, it’s going on believing in His mercy and entrusting ourselves prayerfully to Him when the world is bleak and black and our prayers appear to have no more meaning than the eddies of dust in the lightest of breezes

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