Notes from the Sydney Forge Intensive
Well, I knew the intensive was going to be good, but this one was bloody brilliant. Speakers were great, conversation and sharing ideas, meeting new and wonderfully interesting people doing some great things in the name of the kingdom of heaven. I took about 12 pages of notes, so rather than simply regurgitate those notes I propose to write up each speakers section and post each separately (I think this would help in making conversation easier as well).
I came away from the 4 days believing that it will be possible for the church to change the way it operates (there will be those who choose a slow death over deep change – http://www-personal.umich.edu/~acaza/Quinn%20&%20Caza,%202004.pdf) and that individuals can and must be a part of that transformation.
The common theme from this intensive was on apostolic leadership and each of the speakers brought their own perspectives and experience as well as their understanding of the bible to bear on the subject in ways that challenged as well as inspired – even those I didn’t agree with (only one speaker and I still agreed with many of the things he spoke about).
Mike Frost opened things up with a session on leadership types:
Positional: related to being in a position – CEO, Senior Pastor etc
Relational: may not have a position as such but people naturally listen to and seek out this person
Spiritual: a person who exudes their leadership in a spiritual sense – someone like Gandhi or M L King Jr
Skilled: someone who leads because of the skills they possess that others need
Mike suggested that we need to revisit the way we do leadership in church; the major paradigm is the one of senior pastor or CEO leading through position when what we need is leadership that is a combination of each of the types, but certainly not positional alone.
We need to be asking the question whether simply being effective equates with being good – just because it works does that mean it is biblical or Godly? Mike told the story of outlining the Forge/emergent/apostolic methods of church growth and leadership to the pastor of a large church who suggested that yes they were godly and biblical but just wouldn’t work in a large church! Shouldn’t that make you wonder if God ever intended for churches or communities to grow beyond a certain size?The choices I leadership styles we need can be viewed as:
Truthful Spectacular
and vs Excellent &
Godly Dynamic
The sorts of metaphors that best fit the type of leadership Mike was talking about would be words such as :
Midwife
Gardener and
Angler;
people who aren’t necessarily carrying or producing life (having all that is needed within themselves) but rather know their environment and can work the conditions to produce birth growth and life in others – a Midwife assists in the birth process, a Gardner plants the seed and nurtures it but the seed produces it’s own life, the Angler knows where the fish are, what bait brings them in best – they don’t produce the fish, the fish are already there (we aren’t talking about evangelism here, rather fishes are a metaphor for the latent missional energy within each of us.
My next post will be on Mikes continuing talk about pioneering leadership and Jesus as a model for leadership.

November 29th, 2006 at 12:02 pm
Haffpfffh! You said *latent*. hehehe.
November 29th, 2006 at 12:10 pm
teehee titter titter, guffaw guffaw - you are such a girl Dan…I said seed as well and also growth and did you notice the word post?
November 29th, 2006 at 12:17 pm
what about leadership style in the bible as opposed to that practiced in the world.
What leadership style does God prefer?
November 29th, 2006 at 12:24 pm
I think that was what Mike was getting at, perhaps It’s not so clear in the post, however as more posts come on board hopefully that you will see that there is a strong reliance on biblical models (hence the next post on Jesus as the model leader).
I’d be interested to hear what you consider to be a biblical model of leadership - not your understanding of the qulifications for leadership - but leadership styles and method? If you see anything in my post you consider to be espousing a wordly modle of leadership I’d love to see that as well.
November 29th, 2006 at 12:49 pm
the major difference is the biblical leader serves his church.
This requires sound knowledge of the Bible because all great leaders rely on God. It also therefore requires a mature christian.
Moses would be a good example.
November 29th, 2006 at 12:52 pm
so where do you see I have said anything (or represented Mike as having said anything) that differs to what you just said?
November 29th, 2006 at 12:55 pm
Positional: related to being in a position – CEO, Senior Pastor etc
Relational: may not have a position as such but people naturally listen to and seek out this person
Spiritual: a person who exudes their leadership in a spiritual sense – someone like Gandhi or M L King Jr
Skilled: someone who leads because of the skills they possess that others need
November 29th, 2006 at 1:08 pm
I think what your saying is a matter of semantics - we’re talking about styles of leadership -not what they do - if we’re talking about Chritian leadership (and we are) then of course a konwledge of the bible is prerequisite - it’s in how that knowledge is delivered - anyway more tomorrow about Jesus as leader
November 29th, 2006 at 1:38 pm
Rather than looking at Gandhi or King perhaps a look at Moses would have been better.
You can examine how he put his knowledge into action and how he reacted when he was wrong.
November 29th, 2006 at 1:42 pm
Gandhi and King are contemporary examples of people who exhibited spiritual leadership - I didn;t look at them just used them as an example - or rather Mike did. How abuot you come along to an intenisver and let him know you think his use of examples is not biblical
December 1st, 2006 at 7:41 am
if its not in the bible its not legitimate.
rev
December 1st, 2006 at 8:06 am
Phew. I was looking for references to global warming last night, and couldn’t find any. I can stop worrying now!
December 2nd, 2006 at 8:17 am
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