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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153556</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jan 2007 11:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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Posted: December 21, 2006 at 11:59 pm by Richard 
At this time of year it is common to hear the complaint, “The trouble with Christmas is, it’s too materialistic these days.” Christians up and down the land go even further, “It’s all very well celebrating, but what about the spiritual spects of Christmas?” And there is no shortage of evidence for the truth of these complaints. Christmas has become a riot of spending and gluttony. The rule seems to be, if it can be indulged, it must be over-indulged. You haven’t had enough to eat if you can still move. You hven’t had enough to drink if you can still stand. You haven’t spent enough if there is still credit on your VISA card. More! More! More!

Every Christian I know complains about it, and of course they’re right to do so, Right?

The commercialism and materialism of Christmas is such a soft target, I almost wonder why we bother. If everyone agrees it’s wrong (At last! Something the whole church can agree about!) why do we bother talking about it? I want to suggest that even in the materialism of a modern Christmas, there’s a lesson for God’s people if we are willing to hear it.

Christmas is a supremely materialistic festival. We celebrate the fact that God took human flesh — became incarnate — and lived among his people. He did not enter the world as a glorious heavenly being. He came as a baby, doing all the things that babies do. Forget the sentimental carols and Christmas cards. If the Christian gospel means anything at all, it is that “God is with us”. Through the incarnation, God takes fallen human flesh and makes it holy. I think it was Irenaeus who put it this way: “He became what we are, that we might become what he is.” So if ever there was a time to celebrate our flesh with eating, merrymaking and music — this is it! Christians should not be on the sidelines looking po-faced. We should be showing the world how to party!

The real trouble is not with Christmas, but with the rest of the year. In the west we live every day as though it were a party. The reason we over-indulge to such excess at Christmas is that we over-indulge the rest of the year. The target of the church’s complaint should not be the materialism of Christmas, but the materialism of a lifestyle in which excess is not only lauded, it is practically compulsory. Johann Hari got that much right in his column today:

This year, the first to utter this cry has been Dr John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York, warning “the spiritual values that many people rightly acknowledge at the heart of Christmas are [now] subjected to an assault of materialism”. Many of us nod solemnly at this thought, before guiltily dashing out to Brent Cross to buy another DVD player, remote-control dinosaur and pair of Heelys for the kids.

But, of course, it is much harder to address an overindulgent way of life than it is to “Bah! Humbug!” about a short time of celebration. We complain about the splinter in our brother’s eye but don’t notice the plank in our own.

Merry Christmas.</description>
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<p>Posted: December 21, 2006 at 11:59 pm by Richard<br />
At this time of year it is common to hear the complaint, “The trouble with Christmas is, it’s too materialistic these days.” Christians up and down the land go even further, “It’s all very well celebrating, but what about the spiritual spects of Christmas?” And there is no shortage of evidence for the truth of these complaints. Christmas has become a riot of spending and gluttony. The rule seems to be, if it can be indulged, it must be over-indulged. You haven’t had enough to eat if you can still move. You hven’t had enough to drink if you can still stand. You haven’t spent enough if there is still credit on your VISA card. More! More! More!</p>
<p>Every Christian I know complains about it, and of course they’re right to do so, Right?</p>
<p>The commercialism and materialism of Christmas is such a soft target, I almost wonder why we bother. If everyone agrees it’s wrong (At last! Something the whole church can agree about!) why do we bother talking about it? I want to suggest that even in the materialism of a modern Christmas, there’s a lesson for God’s people if we are willing to hear it.</p>
<p>Christmas is a supremely materialistic festival. We celebrate the fact that God took human flesh — became incarnate — and lived among his people. He did not enter the world as a glorious heavenly being. He came as a baby, doing all the things that babies do. Forget the sentimental carols and Christmas cards. If the Christian gospel means anything at all, it is that “God is with us”. Through the incarnation, God takes fallen human flesh and makes it holy. I think it was Irenaeus who put it this way: “He became what we are, that we might become what he is.” So if ever there was a time to celebrate our flesh with eating, merrymaking and music — this is it! Christians should not be on the sidelines looking po-faced. We should be showing the world how to party!</p>
<p>The real trouble is not with Christmas, but with the rest of the year. In the west we live every day as though it were a party. The reason we over-indulge to such excess at Christmas is that we over-indulge the rest of the year. The target of the church’s complaint should not be the materialism of Christmas, but the materialism of a lifestyle in which excess is not only lauded, it is practically compulsory. Johann Hari got that much right in his column today:</p>
<p>This year, the first to utter this cry has been Dr John Sentamu, the Archbishop of York, warning “the spiritual values that many people rightly acknowledge at the heart of Christmas are [now] subjected to an assault of materialism”. Many of us nod solemnly at this thought, before guiltily dashing out to Brent Cross to buy another DVD player, remote-control dinosaur and pair of Heelys for the kids.</p>
<p>But, of course, it is much harder to address an overindulgent way of life than it is to “Bah! Humbug!” about a short time of celebration. We complain about the splinter in our brother’s eye but don’t notice the plank in our own.</p>
<p>Merry Christmas.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153498</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153498</guid>
		<description>I got some really comfortable thongs (the foot kind), shorts that actualy fit me and look good (with a slightly rotund shape that is hard), the latest Bryce Courtney bok which I am enjoying a lot, an some t shirts and some mail personal care tools...scissors with rounded ends so you can trim the forest up your snozz and in your blessed dears, nail clippers with catchers - my darling hates finding the clipped nails in the bathroom apparently - i leavce them 'cuase I love her! and some mucho looking tweezers for the errant eyebrow hair that makes me look like John howard!

I love Christmas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got some really comfortable thongs (the foot kind), shorts that actualy fit me and look good (with a slightly rotund shape that is hard), the latest Bryce Courtney bok which I am enjoying a lot, an some t shirts and some mail personal care tools&#8230;scissors with rounded ends so you can trim the forest up your snozz and in your blessed dears, nail clippers with catchers - my darling hates finding the clipped nails in the bathroom apparently - i leavce them &#8216;cuase I love her! and some mucho looking tweezers for the errant eyebrow hair that makes me look like John howard!</p>
<p>I love Christmas</p>
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		<title>By: Lionfish</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153393</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Dec 2006 06:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153393</guid>
		<description>The Ultimate in "Christmas Gifting"...

A friend of mine was just telling me that his older (mature) sister had refused to partake in his large family gathering's 'Kris Kringle' because she had already bought presents for others throughout the year ... so everyone had to buy gifts for her - and vis-a-vis.

His sister had given my friends wife a beautiful Diary/Address book ... however when my friends wife took the gift home and examined it closely -  the diary had previously been used by the thoughtful giver... 

It even included the names and phone numbers of boyfriends she had around the time of the demise of her marriage...

Now that has the be the ultimate in the use of the 'Seinfeld' phrase of 'regifting'!... :-)</description>
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<p>A friend of mine was just telling me that his older (mature) sister had refused to partake in his large family gathering&#8217;s &#8216;Kris Kringle&#8217; because she had already bought presents for others throughout the year &#8230; so everyone had to buy gifts for her - and vis-a-vis.</p>
<p>His sister had given my friends wife a beautiful Diary/Address book &#8230; however when my friends wife took the gift home and examined it closely -  the diary had previously been used by the thoughtful giver&#8230; </p>
<p>It even included the names and phone numbers of boyfriends she had around the time of the demise of her marriage&#8230;</p>
<p>Now that has the be the ultimate in the use of the &#8216;Seinfeld&#8217; phrase of &#8216;regifting&#8217;!&#8230; <img src='http://www.signposts.org.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: bec</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153265</link>
		<dc:creator>bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 07:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, it's all about the romance this Christmas!!  

You'd think after living out of home for 10+ years each, we'd have all that stuff.  But clearly we've been mooching off housemates!!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, it&#8217;s all about the romance this Christmas!!  </p>
<p>You&#8217;d think after living out of home for 10+ years each, we&#8217;d have all that stuff.  But clearly we&#8217;ve been mooching off housemates!!  <img src='http://www.signposts.org.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153259</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153259</guid>
		<description>You romantic devils. Aren't you taking living simply a bit far? One should be able to lash out on Lindt chocolate at Christmas.

Forgot to say it tells the date as well.

I'm a relic from the era that thought a clock, a calender, a thermometer, and the ability to look up the weather forecast pretty much covered all bases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You romantic devils. Aren&#8217;t you taking living simply a bit far? One should be able to lash out on Lindt chocolate at Christmas.</p>
<p>Forgot to say it tells the date as well.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m a relic from the era that thought a clock, a calender, a thermometer, and the ability to look up the weather forecast pretty much covered all bases.</p>
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		<title>By: bec</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153257</link>
		<dc:creator>bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 22:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153257</guid>
		<description>Janet...you have nooooo idea how much time I could spend playing with something like that. ;)

My fiance and I got lots of practical stuff, and instead of buying each other Christmas presents, we're going shopping.  We're getting each other a washing machine and a fridge for Christmas.  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet&#8230;you have nooooo idea how much time I could spend playing with something like that. <img src='http://www.signposts.org.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My fiance and I got lots of practical stuff, and instead of buying each other Christmas presents, we&#8217;re going shopping.  We&#8217;re getting each other a washing machine and a fridge for Christmas.  <img src='http://www.signposts.org.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153237</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 22:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I were given a Honeywell wireless indoor / outdoor weather station which tells the temperature indoors and outdoors, and tells the time. I'm not making that up.

The world has gone mad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I were given a Honeywell wireless indoor / outdoor weather station which tells the temperature indoors and outdoors, and tells the time. I&#8217;m not making that up.</p>
<p>The world has gone mad.</p>
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		<title>By: Lionfish</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153228</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 00:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153228</guid>
		<description>I got a hydration pack for my back pack, red wine and an electric tooth brush.</description>
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		<title>By: Pale</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153226</link>
		<dc:creator>Pale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 23:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153226</guid>
		<description>It is Christmas today and I got a Ipod, clothes, and DVDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is Christmas today and I got a Ipod, clothes, and DVDs.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153204</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Dec 2006 02:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2006/12/13/my-christmas-present/#comment-153204</guid>
		<description>One sleep until........err...what are we celebrating again?

Oh yeah....Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath's retirement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One sleep until&#8230;&#8230;..err&#8230;what are we celebrating again?</p>
<p>Oh yeah&#8230;.Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath&#8217;s retirement.</p>
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