Comments on: NT for Lent 1: Hebrews 1 http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/ musings from those on the journey Wed, 3 Dec 2008 22:53:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: just_nigel http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156989 just_nigel Sat, 24 Feb 2007 13:17:14 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156989 Contemporary Christology is usually done 'top down' (what did it mean for the divine to become human) or 'bottom up' (what did it mean for a human to be divine) but this one from Hebrews seems to be kind of 'diagonal' asking what does it mean for Christ to be greater than the angels - not a question I hear many poeple asking these days. My experince of Chirst certainly doesn't begin with what I beleive about angels. My favorite verse was: "The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven." I also noticed that the same word for our gaining salvation was used to describe Jesus gaining his name/authority - "inherit". Not sure what that means except it seems to emphasises the initiative is God's action in saving / giving honor. Contemporary Christology is usually done ‘top down’ (what did it mean for the divine to become human) or ‘bottom up’ (what did it mean for a human to be divine) but this one from Hebrews seems to be kind of ‘diagonal’ asking what does it mean for Christ to be greater than the angels - not a question I hear many poeple asking these days. My experince of Chirst certainly doesn’t begin with what I beleive about angels.

My favorite verse was:
“The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.”

I also noticed that the same word for our gaining salvation was used to describe Jesus gaining his name/authority - “inherit”. Not sure what that means except it seems to emphasises the initiative is God’s action in saving / giving honor.

]]> By: Janet http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156904 Janet Fri, 23 Feb 2007 06:34:35 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156904 Not according to their website Rev. Maybe you met a really wacky one. http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/index.html "Seventh-day Adventists believe that Jesus is one of the three persons, called the Trinity, who make up our one God. The Bible describes Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit as each being committed to our growth as Christians and to our salvation as their children. They made this salvation possible when Jesus came to Bethlehem as a human baby. He lived a life perfectly in accord with God's will and then died innocently for all of our sins. He was placed in a borrowed tomb, but He came back to life three days later. Now he is in heaven interceding with the Father for us, preparing for our deliverance from sin and death." Not according to their website Rev. Maybe you met a really wacky one.

http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/index.html

“Seventh-day Adventists believe that Jesus is one of the three persons, called the Trinity, who make up our one God. The Bible describes Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit as each being committed to our growth as Christians and to our salvation as their children. They made this salvation possible when Jesus came to Bethlehem as a human baby. He lived a life perfectly in accord with God’s will and then died innocently for all of our sins. He was placed in a borrowed tomb, but He came back to life three days later. Now he is in heaven interceding with the Father for us, preparing for our deliverance from sin and death.”

]]> By: Lionfish http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156864 Lionfish Thu, 22 Feb 2007 21:12:24 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156864 Yes. Yes.

]]> By: Sanders http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156799 Sanders Thu, 22 Feb 2007 03:11:46 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156799 What does this text say about the trinity? Does it support it? What does this text say about the trinity? Does it support it?

]]> By: Toddy http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156796 Toddy Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:04:20 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156796 "7th day adventists believe the same thing." - not WA SDAs that I know... They believe some other wacky stuff which makes me laugh, but they seem pretty sold on Jesus as the Son of God, and part of the Trinity... “7th day adventists believe the same thing.” - not WA SDAs that I know…

They believe some other wacky stuff which makes me laugh, but they seem pretty sold on Jesus as the Son of God, and part of the Trinity…

]]> By: dan http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156794 dan Thu, 22 Feb 2007 00:17:29 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156794 I must say that I have not realy read a great deal of Hebrews (or not often, anyway). And I think that this is quite poetic. I have always had this idea of Hebrews as being very dry and precise, but I look forward to revisiting more of it. I must say that I have not realy read a great deal of Hebrews (or not often, anyway). And I think that this is quite poetic. I have always had this idea of Hebrews as being very dry and precise, but I look forward to revisiting more of it.

]]> By: Lionfish http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156774 Lionfish Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:46:59 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156774 I did not know that! I did not know that!

]]> By: the rev http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156770 the rev Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:14:24 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156770 7th day adventists believe the same thing. rev 7th day adventists believe the same thing.

rev

]]> By: Lionfish http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156761 Lionfish Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:36:29 +0000 http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/02/21/nt-for-lent-1-hebrews-1/#comment-156761 I love this. <blockquote> 5For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son; today I have become your Father[a]”[b]? Or again, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son”[c]? 6And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”[d] 7In speaking of the angels he says, “He makes his angels winds, his servants flames of fire.”[e] 8But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. </blockquote> It's a verse I often use to refute JW's who (falsely) believe that Jesus is in fact the archangel 'Michael'. I love this.

5For to which of the angels did God ever say,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father[a]”[b]? Or again,
“I will be his Father,
and he will be my Son”[c]? 6And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,
“Let all God’s angels worship him.”[d] 7In speaking of the angels he says,
“He makes his angels winds,
his servants flames of fire.”[e] 8But about the Son he says,
“Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.

It’s a verse I often use to refute JW’s who (falsely) believe that Jesus is in fact the archangel ‘Michael’.

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