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		<title>By: wazza</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-177061</link>
		<dc:creator>wazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-177061</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;"Don’t use the “slippery slope” argument. Seriously. Have you not realised that this is the least creative argument ever? You can use it for absolutely anything. There is no situation in which this cannot be applied. Women in leadership? Women without hats? Meat on Fridays? Non-observation of Lent? I challenge you to name any instance in which this argument cannot be used. I defy you."&lt;/i&gt;

You cannot use the slippery slope argument on itself.  Ie.  you cannot say "If we allow slippery slope arguments, pretty soon everyone will be using them and it will be the end of blogging as we know it."  This is because it is utilising the argument it is trying to disprove.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Don’t use the “slippery slope” argument. Seriously. Have you not realised that this is the least creative argument ever? You can use it for absolutely anything. There is no situation in which this cannot be applied. Women in leadership? Women without hats? Meat on Fridays? Non-observation of Lent? I challenge you to name any instance in which this argument cannot be used. I defy you.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>You cannot use the slippery slope argument on itself.  Ie.  you cannot say &#8220;If we allow slippery slope arguments, pretty soon everyone will be using them and it will be the end of blogging as we know it.&#8221;  This is because it is utilising the argument it is trying to disprove.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-166275</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 00:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-166275</guid>
		<description>A friend sent me a list of Australian etiquette - not much help here I konw but funny neverthless:

&lt;blockquote&gt;AUSTRALIAN ETIQUETTE

GENERAL
1. Never take an open stubby to a job interview.
2. Always identify people in your paddocks before shooting at them.
3. It's tacky to take an esky to church.
4. If you have to vacuum the bed, it's time to change the sheets.
5. Even if you're certain you're included in the will, it's rude to take your Ute and trailer to the funeral.

DINING OUT
1. When decanting wine from the box, tilt the paper cup and pour slowly so as not to bruise the wine.
2. If drinking directly from the bottle, hold it with only one hand.

ENTERTAINING IN YOUR HOME
1. A centrepiece for the table should never be anything prepared by a taxidermist.
2. Don't allow the dog to eat at the table, no matter how good his manners.

PERSONAL HYGIENE
1. While ears need to be cleaned regularly, this should be done in private, using one's OWN Ute keys.
2. Even if you live alone, deodorant isn't a waste of money.
3. Extensive use of deodorant can only delay bathing by a few days.
4. Dirt and grease under the fingernails is a no-no - it alters the taste of finger foods and if you are a woman
it can draw attention away from your jewellery.

DATING
1. Always offer to bait your date's hook - especially on the first date.
2. Be assertive. Let her know you're interested:
Say......"I've been wanting to go out with you ever since I read that stuff on the dunny door two years ago."
3. Establish with her parents what time she's expected back. Some will say 11:00 PM, others might say "Monday."
If the latter is the answer, it's the man's responsibility to get her to school on time.

THEATRE ETIQUETTE
1. Crying babies should be taken to the lobby and picked up after the movie ends.
2. Refrain from yelling abuse at characters on the screen. Tests have proven they can't hear you.

WEDDINGS
1. Livestock is a poor choice for a wedding gift.
2. Kissing the bride for more than five seconds may cause a drop in your popularity.
(Excessive use of the tongue is also considered out of place)
3. For the groom, at least, rent a tux. A tracksuit with a cummerbund and a clean football jumper can create a tacky appearance.
4. Though uncomfortable, say "yes" to socks and shoes for the occasion.

DRIVING ETIQUETTE
1. Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles, even if your guns loaded and the roo is in your rifle sight.
2. When entering a roundabout, the vehicle with the largest roo bar doesn't always have the right of way.
3. Never tow another car using panty hose and duct tape.
4. When sending your wife down the road with a petrol can, it's impolite to ask her to bring back beer too. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend sent me a list of Australian etiquette - not much help here I konw but funny neverthless:</p>
<blockquote><p>AUSTRALIAN ETIQUETTE</p>
<p>GENERAL<br />
1. Never take an open stubby to a job interview.<br />
2. Always identify people in your paddocks before shooting at them.<br />
3. It&#8217;s tacky to take an esky to church.<br />
4. If you have to vacuum the bed, it&#8217;s time to change the sheets.<br />
5. Even if you&#8217;re certain you&#8217;re included in the will, it&#8217;s rude to take your Ute and trailer to the funeral.</p>
<p>DINING OUT<br />
1. When decanting wine from the box, tilt the paper cup and pour slowly so as not to bruise the wine.<br />
2. If drinking directly from the bottle, hold it with only one hand.</p>
<p>ENTERTAINING IN YOUR HOME<br />
1. A centrepiece for the table should never be anything prepared by a taxidermist.<br />
2. Don&#8217;t allow the dog to eat at the table, no matter how good his manners.</p>
<p>PERSONAL HYGIENE<br />
1. While ears need to be cleaned regularly, this should be done in private, using one&#8217;s OWN Ute keys.<br />
2. Even if you live alone, deodorant isn&#8217;t a waste of money.<br />
3. Extensive use of deodorant can only delay bathing by a few days.<br />
4. Dirt and grease under the fingernails is a no-no - it alters the taste of finger foods and if you are a woman<br />
it can draw attention away from your jewellery.</p>
<p>DATING<br />
1. Always offer to bait your date&#8217;s hook - especially on the first date.<br />
2. Be assertive. Let her know you&#8217;re interested:<br />
Say&#8230;&#8230;&#8221;I&#8217;ve been wanting to go out with you ever since I read that stuff on the dunny door two years ago.&#8221;<br />
3. Establish with her parents what time she&#8217;s expected back. Some will say 11:00 PM, others might say &#8220;Monday.&#8221;<br />
If the latter is the answer, it&#8217;s the man&#8217;s responsibility to get her to school on time.</p>
<p>THEATRE ETIQUETTE<br />
1. Crying babies should be taken to the lobby and picked up after the movie ends.<br />
2. Refrain from yelling abuse at characters on the screen. Tests have proven they can&#8217;t hear you.</p>
<p>WEDDINGS<br />
1. Livestock is a poor choice for a wedding gift.<br />
2. Kissing the bride for more than five seconds may cause a drop in your popularity.<br />
(Excessive use of the tongue is also considered out of place)<br />
3. For the groom, at least, rent a tux. A tracksuit with a cummerbund and a clean football jumper can create a tacky appearance.<br />
4. Though uncomfortable, say &#8220;yes&#8221; to socks and shoes for the occasion.</p>
<p>DRIVING ETIQUETTE<br />
1. Dim your headlights for approaching vehicles, even if your guns loaded and the roo is in your rifle sight.<br />
2. When entering a roundabout, the vehicle with the largest roo bar doesn&#8217;t always have the right of way.<br />
3. Never tow another car using panty hose and duct tape.<br />
4. When sending your wife down the road with a petrol can, it&#8217;s impolite to ask her to bring back beer too.
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159543</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159543</guid>
		<description>Jesus looks nicer in all the photos of him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus looks nicer in all the photos of him?</p>
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		<title>By: saint</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159540</link>
		<dc:creator>saint</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 01:16:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159540</guid>
		<description>"Look I know the arguments against these statements and you CAN call me a heretic if you like, but I do believe that you can be a commited and sincere Christian yet NOT be Trinitarian. Lets face it even NONE of us understand the Trinity, so how can God blame those who don’t accept it. I think what Jesus is more concerned with is whether we fed him when he was hungry and when he was naked did we clothe him?"

Submergent: a Christian is one whom God calls friend. And one is a Christian (redeemend and reconciled to God)  by grace through faith in Christ. And one becomes a Christian in response to the gospel - a response of repentance and faith. And the gospel is God's gospel, promised beforehand through his prophets, regarding his Son, a descendant of David, who was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection (Rom 1:14; such statements of the gospel are scattered throughout the NT).  So the gospel tells us something about who Jesus is and what he has done for us and for all creation. 

So how would you answer the questions I posed above? (And I could go through the gospels and pose a lot more). Who is Jesus? Is he just a great moral teacher? Why is He any different then to say Confucius?  Why then should one have faith in Jesus and not Confucius?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Look I know the arguments against these statements and you CAN call me a heretic if you like, but I do believe that you can be a commited and sincere Christian yet NOT be Trinitarian. Lets face it even NONE of us understand the Trinity, so how can God blame those who don’t accept it. I think what Jesus is more concerned with is whether we fed him when he was hungry and when he was naked did we clothe him?&#8221;</p>
<p>Submergent: a Christian is one whom God calls friend. And one is a Christian (redeemend and reconciled to God)  by grace through faith in Christ. And one becomes a Christian in response to the gospel - a response of repentance and faith. And the gospel is God&#8217;s gospel, promised beforehand through his prophets, regarding his Son, a descendant of David, who was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection (Rom 1:14; such statements of the gospel are scattered throughout the NT).  So the gospel tells us something about who Jesus is and what he has done for us and for all creation. </p>
<p>So how would you answer the questions I posed above? (And I could go through the gospels and pose a lot more). Who is Jesus? Is he just a great moral teacher? Why is He any different then to say Confucius?  Why then should one have faith in Jesus and not Confucius?</p>
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		<title>By: submergent</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159526</link>
		<dc:creator>submergent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 22:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159526</guid>
		<description>Saint,

Firstly I consider myself a commited Christian, however I no longer consider myself Fundementalist... I am not anti-Trinitarian, and I am not saying that I don't believe in the Trinity.

But even when I was a fundementalist, I have always questioned everything, I don't take doctrine for granted, I have always enjoyed and read Theology. I know all the doctine of the Trinity well. Yet I have always been symathetic to those who do not hold to the doctrine.  After all, it is NEVER explicity taught, only implied.  Jesus is explicitly called the Messiah/Christ, the SON of God, the Son of Man. But He is not generally called God the Son.  ALmost invariably when NT writers use the word God, they are talking about the Father.  Jesus himself said that the Father was greater than Him.  The Holy Spirit is never called God the Holy Spirit.  The NT authors never talked about God being three persons.... Look I know the arguments against these statements and you CAN call me a heretic if you like, but I do believe that you can be a commited and sincere Christian yet NOT be Trinitarian.  Lets face it even NONE of us understand the Trinity, so how can God blame those who don't accept it.  I think what Jesus is more concerned with is whether  we fed him when he was hungry and when he was naked did we clothe him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saint,</p>
<p>Firstly I consider myself a commited Christian, however I no longer consider myself Fundementalist&#8230; I am not anti-Trinitarian, and I am not saying that I don&#8217;t believe in the Trinity.</p>
<p>But even when I was a fundementalist, I have always questioned everything, I don&#8217;t take doctrine for granted, I have always enjoyed and read Theology. I know all the doctine of the Trinity well. Yet I have always been symathetic to those who do not hold to the doctrine.  After all, it is NEVER explicity taught, only implied.  Jesus is explicitly called the Messiah/Christ, the SON of God, the Son of Man. But He is not generally called God the Son.  ALmost invariably when NT writers use the word God, they are talking about the Father.  Jesus himself said that the Father was greater than Him.  The Holy Spirit is never called God the Holy Spirit.  The NT authors never talked about God being three persons&#8230;. Look I know the arguments against these statements and you CAN call me a heretic if you like, but I do believe that you can be a commited and sincere Christian yet NOT be Trinitarian.  Lets face it even NONE of us understand the Trinity, so how can God blame those who don&#8217;t accept it.  I think what Jesus is more concerned with is whether  we fed him when he was hungry and when he was naked did we clothe him?</p>
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		<title>By: Veritas</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159373</link>
		<dc:creator>Veritas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 07:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159373</guid>
		<description>LF Abtruth..  “saying someone may have heretical beliefs or are heretical per se has become an insult rather than a statement of fact”… "here. here."

Encore!

I am sure Athanasius would agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LF Abtruth..  “saying someone may have heretical beliefs or are heretical per se has become an insult rather than a statement of fact”… &#8220;here. here.&#8221;</p>
<p>Encore!</p>
<p>I am sure Athanasius would agree.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159363</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159363</guid>
		<description>Bec.... glad you're still on the planet!!!

What are the chances... two Signposters are writing highly specialised legal doctorates while working full time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bec&#8230;. glad you&#8217;re still on the planet!!!</p>
<p>What are the chances&#8230; two Signposters are writing highly specialised legal doctorates while working full time?</p>
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		<title>By: Lionfish</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159349</link>
		<dc:creator>Lionfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 06:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159349</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; "saying someone may have heretical beliefs or are heretical per se has become an insult rather than a statement of fact"… &lt;/blockquote&gt;

here. here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> &#8220;saying someone may have heretical beliefs or are heretical per se has become an insult rather than a statement of fact&#8221;… </p></blockquote>
<p>here. here.</p>
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		<title>By: bec</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159329</link>
		<dc:creator>bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 05:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159329</guid>
		<description>wayne, I started work this week and it's been such a relief to have a break.  LOL!!

greg - customary land law in the pacific. :)  when i have time i might actually get my blog going again and write about it over there!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wayne, I started work this week and it&#8217;s been such a relief to have a break.  LOL!!</p>
<p>greg - customary land law in the pacific. <img src='http://www.signposts.org.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  when i have time i might actually get my blog going again and write about it over there!!</p>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159304</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2007 03:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/03/19/so-you-want-to-argue/#comment-159304</guid>
		<description>glad to heare you're taking it easy - what's the phd in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>glad to heare you&#8217;re taking it easy - what&#8217;s the phd in?</p>
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