Comments on: experimenting, pioneering, blazing new paths…

By: Emma Whale

Emma Whale — Sat, 14 Apr 2007 03:43:33 +0000

Yes I understand…maybe I should post at 2am when I am invariably up!

By: abtruth

abtruth — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:59:15 +0000

i have young kids so the answer to that would be no!

By: Emma Whale

Emma Whale — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 22:37:14 +0000

will read the other link. Do you guys ever sleep???

By: saint

saint — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:57:44 +0000

Yes I was oh great Lord Veritas! Please accept my humble apologies. ROFL!

By: Veritas

Veritas — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:26:26 +0000

Saint - by the way even though I love abtruth’s work I presume you were posting to me

By: Veritas

Veritas — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:22:18 +0000

Saint I couldn’t agree with you more - Ben did link in the story to a local newspaper article that detailed a church’s approach that wasn’t ’successful’ at all and agrees that it is not something to be taken light heartedly or without deep thought,reflection, and training. The ignorant or naive - no matter how sincere and good their intentions maybe - can also cause a lot of further damage to the individual and the church.

By: saint

saint — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:15:26 +0000

abtruth - I read Ben’s post when he originally posted it. There are no hard and fast rules on this, because each person/situation/church is different. Given that pederasts/paedophiles have a worse “cure” rate than AVB’s gay stats - extremely high recidivism - I’d also suggest this is not ministry for the naive or the bleeding hearts.

By: Veritas

Veritas — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:07:02 +0000

Emma, if you had read the post that I linked to it might be a bit clearer for you. Then replace the word pederast in that post (not in the entire world) with a word that describes a sinner of the marginalised kind (be that gay; wife basher: husband basher; gossiper; con artist; or whatever consider it a blank for you to fill in and then read the post again and then ask yourself if “church is true to it’s mission it will be experimenting, pioneering, blazing new paths, seeking how to speak the reconciling words of God to it’s own age.” I was referring to the reaction and treatment of the church not on whether or not you consider a committed homosexual sin is less of a sin than predatory homosexual sin. In your words sin is sin, amen.

By: saint

saint — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:57:21 +0000

Emma you referred to him as a little brother. Meaning either he or others or both identify him as male. So he has hormone imbalances. Hormones alone don’t define your maleness or femaleness. He won’t be the first or last with hormone imbalances. He will have his own struggles but he won’t be alone.

By: Emma Whale

Emma Whale — Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:55:10 +0000

well…I agree with some of what you say but not all. We’ll have to agree to disagree I guess. I still think peole who have same sex attraction should not be dealt with so summarily as you did in your first post…maybe I am a “beleeding heart” but I do feel a genuine sense of compassion for people who are marginalised in this way, and I think to say well you have to celibate, get over it and get on with it isn’t helpful, it really is a genuine struggle. Anyway! Am tired, brain dysfunctioning, going to bed.