Wolfgang Simpson
More notes from Dangerous Story - Wolfgang Simson
I’m an ex-communist and an ex-christian. Today I just follow Jesus.
When I was asked to speak - I thought I was being asked to provide some entertainment for spiritual voyeurs of what God is doing elsewhere and not in your own country. So the format will be:
Some stories
What that means; and
What you should do.
I’ve given up asking god to bless what I do, as it limits God to what I think he can do or wants me to do.
So for a German theologian, I’ve committed theological suicide: I give up my right to understand everything in my brain before I act. I give permission for God to do things through me that I don’t understand or approve of.
Three things we know about Jesus:
He hid the truth. He told stories, parables and mysteries that people didn’t understand.
He was a world champion eater - eating with people was very important to him.
He showed supernatural signs of the kingdom.
1Sam. 1:1-2
There was a certain man from Ramathaim, a Zuphite from the hill country of Ephraim, whose name was Elkanah son of Jeroham, the son of Elihu, the son of Tohu, the son of Zuph, an Ephraimite.
He had two wives; one was called Hannah and the other Peninnah. Peninnah had children, but Hannah had none.
1Sam. 1:6-7
And because the LORD had closed her womb, her rival kept provoking her in order to irritate her. This went on year after year. Whenever Hannah went up to the house of the LORD, her rival provoked her till she wept and would not eat.
I see a lot of people in the west excited about themselves. They are very happy about their work. Our worst enemy is our own creativity, it makes us unwilling to obey. These people can’t relate to Hannah. We should have a Hannah response. But instead we can look at Peninnah and be envious.
People in the west like the numbers of churches growing in the 2/3 world but question the quality.
In Switzland, last year 60 new churches have been planted, while 40 churches has closed. An overall 2% growth in Christian numbers. It’s 2-1.9% in Germany. 0.3% France. People are saying to God, yes. But to Church, definitely no. US in 10-15 years will face this same thing.
In a Lutheran church - if you sit in the front pew - you can almost believe that there are people sitting behind you. When the pastor says ‘dear church’, a voice replies “you can call me Emma.”
In Europe, if I say I’m not a Christian, I get invited to talk about spiritual growth. When they ask, are you sure? I reply “do I look like one of those christians that turn up to church buildings…”
Instead I say that I follow Jesus. I’m not about bringing people into church, but helping people find out more about Jesus. To bring Jesus to them.
How do you personally operate with your finances? I think it is a spiritual thermometer. Where is your trust? Where is your security? When earlier you took up an offering for the missionary couple to the new agers, I heard a lot of coins being dropped in the bowls. Not being familiar with your currency, I asked what is the largest value of Australian coin? I almost cried when I found out that it was only $2. Of all people, the new agers are spending the most amount on their spiritual growth at the moment.
I had a visiting pastor from Africa, so we organised an African Power night. He began by speaking about African power stories. Then he said “I will prophesise and the first 10 people will get it for free.” He got a word from the Lord for each of those 10, but didn’t tell them that it was from God. Then he said “Now I will reveal the secret of African power - it is Jesus. Not church.”
He then asked who wants to start a relationship with Jesus right not. 300 out of 300 put their hands.
He then explained that church is about having an extended family and supporting each other and can happen in your living room, in your house. He asked who wants to start a house church right now. 35 hands up. Doing ‘church’ is supposed to be simple.
I was in India with my family. And although I drank lots of water, I experienced dehydration. No matter how much I drank, I couldn’t keep it in and drinking more water didn’t seem to work. I ended up in hospital. In there I found out that what I needed was salt not water. I needed salt to assimilate the water.
Everyone wants more water - power, grace, joy - but these things will not change us, unless we have salt, that is the truth.
How do we recover truth?
In the 1700s, a slave owner had 2000-3000 slaves on an island in the Atlantic. The slave owner swore that none of the slaves would ever hear the word of God, and prevented any preachers or missionaries to come onto his island. Two young Arabians who were living in Hamburg, head about this, and sold themselves into a lifetime of slavery and used the proceeds to pay the passage to the island.
I remember sitting in an Egyptian 3P church (that is a church with a pastor, pews and promise). In the 70s, a couple of guys said they wanted to go back to Israel to start a house church and it started to grow. The local rabbi hired some thugs to smash up the church house. God yes, church no. I got to talk to one of those guys later, and found out how it grew so well. Any time he made a muslim convert, he will set up that new muslim convert as a pastor. And he asked those pastors, what would it look like to win people like you? They replied that you need to evangelise to the whole family, not individuals, and to do it in their homes. It is now the fastest growing movement in Israel.
Dangerous stories upset our paradigms and our financial priorities.
In Egypt they have a vision to plant a mosque within walking distance of all. To train for the church of the future. So now in Egypt 4000 churches start each year.
I was with my family in the Philippines, and there was a youth camp on an island at Easter. I was called over at one stage and saw kids catching fish with buckets. There was so much fish that they stopped using the buckets and filled up the boats to the brim. Lots of buckets with overflowing fish. It started because some of the kids got a feeling to use mosquito nets to catch fish, at a time when the fish weren’t supposed to be out, with something that doesn’t really catch fish and with people that weren’t trained to catch fish. If we dare to do the ridiculous, God will do the impossible.
The Church of God explodes, they don’t just grow. It is not through your efforts. Jesus was a spiritual burglar, not a slow friendship evangelist, he broke into their lives.
15 people in a house church is the limit, if it grows beyond that, split the church into two. God is still in control even if you’re not. Can you trust God with that?
In a time where we have a lot of christian anarchy - manipulated by false rulers - there are still rules.
1. We need to rediscover Jesus as the loving emperor. You cannot call Jesus as Lord, if you can’t call ourselves his slaves.
2. We need to rediscover apostolic and prophetic ways - these terms are thrown around foolishly, but don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater.
3. After ages of institutional rebellion, we need to rediscover God’s blueprint of ecclestia. Clear laws of spiritual principles that are holy and see God’s fruitfulness and multiplication.
4. Go back to a kingdom economical system, which starts with a question of ownership.
5. The kingdom of God should demonstrates multiplication.
The new era has come. There is a reformation taking place. Are we ready to accept it? Red pill or blue pill?
You can take the red pill. You have the choice.
What should we do?
Pray. Repent.
Don’t behave as we have already modelled the kingdom and achieved our goal. That we are too happy about what we have done. Sometimes I look at the west, there’s seems nothing that can be done to change our course. We have a Christianity that is no threat to our current political, religious and social systems…
We need to go back to Jesus, his book, and obedience and being bondservants.
We should be seeing fruitfulness, multiplication and global impact.
I’m not talking about slavish obedience. Muslims currently have 4 advantages over us:
1. They actually live in extended families.
2. They have a healthy belief in the supernatural
3. They respect older brothers and respect each other. (Hannah’s prayer)
4. They display obedience - individually and corporately.
They are developing spiritual technology that will be necessary to unlock the west if we have the humility to learn from them.
April 6th, 2007 at 11:47 pm
I was at the FORGE conference, and I loved hearing Wolfgang speak. He was an amazing man with an amazing perspective on life! However I did get a bit annoyed at how he openly criticised and bagged out any form of traditional church. I think the traditional church has it’s place too, and the emerging and traditional churches need to work together. We’re not enemies!
April 7th, 2007 at 1:11 pm
No I agree.
I was speaking witha a friend yesterday about the role of the Traditional Church which in some ways has become an ‘anchor’. While newer movements may act to challenge, explore and in some cases rediscover and revitalise - the traditional church, slow to change has kept true to orthodox traching and has not vasiliated between noew teachings thatrange from Toronto Blessing to The Prayer of Jabez.
After spending four years in RV I leraned some good stuff - but I am back in the tradional church. I think the traditional church will revitalise as people circulate or leave on ’secondment’ to contemporary and emerhing churches - and all elemnts of the Church will be better off through the flow of people and ideas coupled with the anchor of orthodoxy that keeps the entire church grounded.
April 7th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Guys
I have a good friend who lives around the corner who God has given a real gift of being able to preach the unabashed unadorned Gospel.
One of his great struggles and increasingly mine (although I don’t have his gifts) is how to do “church” because traditional church doesn’t cut it. I read Lance talking about attractional and missional approaches the other day. And my own experience is that the church I am in which has lot of positives wants to grab hold of the latest fad, program etc thats coming down the pike.
I believe there is a place for both types of “church” - that is the type proposed by Wolfgang above and the more traditional style we’re used to. Wouldn’t it be great if say a Baptist church could act as an epicentre for a house church movement.
One of the things that WOlfgang said that I agree with is:
“I see a lot of people in the west excited about themselves. They are very happy about their work. Our worst enemy is our own creativity, it makes us unwilling to obey. These people can’t relate to Hannah. We should have a Hannah response. But instead we can look at Peninnah and be envious.”
It is the whole obedience thing _ and I don’t consider my that by a long shot. It seems like to me if the Bible purports to present a particular position that we don’t like - we’ll perform all sorts of theological contortions to justify a position that the individual would prefer, rather than ask the simple question - “What does God want?” and pursue that will our heart, mind and strength. To that extent I think Wolfgang has posed a pretty straight forward challenge.
God bless
MN
April 7th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
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April 8th, 2007 at 8:32 pm
The issues between the traditional and the missional are not so simple as to just say, well we are both working together for the goal, and Godbless. And before one gets things a bit too out of balance, you need to also realize that the traditional church and their “celebrities” like Don Carson, John Piper, Chuck Smith and many many others are absulutely ripping the emerging missional church to shreds, calling us heretics, new agers and trendy cheap grace universalists. The words are flung in both directions people.
But I cannot say, “well we are all on the same mission, just different styles to reach different people”. This is not my belief at all. I actually believe that the church was subverted through Constantine. I actually believe that Jesus meant it when he said we should love our enemies, not store up treasures for ourselves, and especially “DO NOT LEAD LIKE THE WORLD DOES, LORDING IT OVER OTHERS, BUT HE WHO WOULD BE GREAT AMONG YOU SHOULD BE THE SERVANT OF ALL” and Jesus proved he meant it, by actually living it out as an example. I actually believe that the church has surrendered to the God of this age which is consumerism. What do people call it when they are looking for a church? Church shopping!!! I am not trying out a new style!!! I am trying to actually live by the biblical teachings of Christ, like the sermon on the mount tells us, “you who do these things I teach are building on solid ground”
How we can say Jesus is our example, and we follow Him, yet live in our lives and in our faith communities in ways that are completely the opposite of Jesus life? So please understand I am not just trying a new style, I am calling the church as a whole to get back to the example of Jesus. And I will rail against the church not because I think I am better, but because I love the church and desire for all of us to be about becoming more like Jesus, not more like our culture.
The uncomfortable fact is many Emerging Missional Churches are doing the same bloody thing!!! Just trying to be the next hip thing, relevent, creative and cool as. They are made up of people that don’t want to wake up early on Sunday, want to drink their wine, and say naughty words. I give them the same message. Jesus didnt’ call us to be cool, comfortable and casual. He calls us to follow. Now that means we can be creative, we can gather in cafe’s if we want, we can refuse to buy into legalism, but it also means we are to give up our security, to leave our comfort behind, to make sacrifices, and to love even when it is hardest. To care for the least of these, to share our bread with the hungry and our homes with the homeless. To welcome the strangers, the outcasts, the oppresssed.
rev
April 8th, 2007 at 9:08 pm
Clearly I hear and see what u expect, but what do u expect?
Nothing ever is simple and yet it is.
Scripture shows us a number of things:
Peter the rock upon which Jesus built the church disowned him
The disciples didn’t recognise didn’t recognise the Jesus after his resurrection
The church in its infancy…back in the good old days gave cause for a number of things to be disciplined and warned over, Paul and other writers.
Jesus warned you can’t serve both God and money, saying it is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of needle than it is for a rich man to go to heaven, and yet with God ALL things are possible.
God’s servants included rich and poor, kings and peasants who went from peasant to king, prince to revolutionary leader, refugee, persecutor of the church, rich woman trading in purple, eunuch, and king to madman and back again.
People are always going to disappoint you, and you them. And guess what God doesn’t work to your agenda only - He’s much bigger than that.
Cheers
MN
April 8th, 2007 at 10:05 pm
I don’t understand most of what you wrote, but I will tell you that I am not one bit concerned with my agenda. I am concerned with the church being true to its leader, and its leaders left the riches of heaven to be a poor man here. His disciples left everything to follow Him. That is scripture.
rev
April 9th, 2007 at 2:18 am
He accepts ill gotten gains from megachurch charlatans…but it’s actually good to have The Rev back.
April 9th, 2007 at 8:29 am
I figure I will use the money better than they will
Hey Lance was wanting your advice on something, can you email me johnj at forge dot org.au
rev
April 9th, 2007 at 10:08 am
LOL!
April 10th, 2007 at 10:26 am
The Israelites took the gold of the Egyptians in the Exodus… I don’t think God minds!!!
April 10th, 2007 at 4:50 pm
I think MN is on drugs - that was definitely a speed induced peice of skittish dribble - not a single thing that made any senhse whatsoever - send some in the mail to me please MN
April 10th, 2007 at 10:13 pm
For Greg’s benefit
never taken drugs, and never been pissed mate. Don’t need either to: a) write rubbish, or b) have a good time.
You’ll have to get high without recourse to chemical substances - unless you choose to do otherwise of course.
Translation fo your benefit, not that it is important:
A response to the frustration on my part of the many different ways being told or advised to “do church”.
Translation is: the Gospel is relatively simple, and yet mankind has fought and argued over it for centuries, and God forbid centuries to come; the historical precedent and ongoing trend is that as individuals we struggle to genuinely recognise Jesus; humankind always has a hankering after old things that seem better than they were - hence the focus to restore a way of church that focussed on villages and small towns when we live largely in urban megalopolis’s - the way community looks today unfortunately is very different for some very practical reasons (not all good); Jesus warns about the love of money, but says anything is possible with God - why do we it seems so often seek to constrain Him according to our own prejudices?; and people will always disappoint us - which in a way also highlights the error in seeking what appears to a one size fits all approach.
Since that post I asked Rev a straight forward question about church structure to which he gave good response to.
Gee I might even consider helping start up house church in two or three months time, but I see room for both traditional and house church arrangements. In fact where a “traditional” church - hate that phrase - holds its own property title - I see a great opportunity for that church to act as a hub for a number of house churches - probably been done before. Can’t think of a reason why it can’t work except for the people.
Regardless I am extremely sceptical of being told this is THE way to do church - I don’t think there is such a beast. Yes Jesus is our prime example, and we learn from the example of the early church, but we also learn from the Holy Spirit today where we are if we have ears.
Bottomline: there isn’t a church structure that has been thought of that we can’t screw up - and yet God in His grace continues to use all sorts of people from all sorts of places and walks of life - rich and poor. Let’s just get on with it.
Cheers
MN
April 10th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
MN, that was a good reply. I believe structure matters, for many many reasons, not the least of which is I have found the greatest growth in both my life, and the lives of others within this context. I am also an anarchist and believe that power is meant to be held by God and God alone. Our current church structures are completely based around power.
Your idea about our society being grouped so much differently now sounds like a sound one, however you must ask yourself, was it so much different in 300 ad than it was in 100 ad? Not much different at all, but why did the structural change happen? Because Constantine made the church the offical church of Rome. Then and only then do we have power, prestige and money introduced to the church. Then we have giant cathedrals, usually built for worship of other Gods, being remade into Christian meeting places, and then we find ministry training centers, and theologians and an attitude that no longer says we are the community of faith sent to the world, but we are the church, the world should come to us. Compare and contrast the early church in its Roman context, to the Roman context not many years later and you see that it is a marrying of power and the church that ordains this structure. Now look at the great movement Wesley started, based on small groups and accountable missional relationships. They were growing so fast that they were starting two churches a day in the United States at one point in history. The Chinese church in the present day, with no structure, no money, yet a remarkable movement that is multiplying at amazing rates. And these types of movements are happening all over the world. Something happens when the life of God’s community is no longer hidden behind stained glass windows, and every believer taking responsibility for their own walk with God, and the ministry to the community of believers.
Will God use people no matter what? Ofcourse he will. Is this the only way? No, but is it the way Jesus showed us? I believe it is.
rev
April 11th, 2007 at 11:02 am
Rev, you ask: was it so much different in 300 ad than it was in 100 ad?
We have different tax laws, property laws. We have laws governing occupational health and safety. We have laws governing food safety that have affected everyone from the farmer seeking to sell their produce at farmers markets to those serving food at places like Credo Cafe. For these reasons, and more, the corporate structure enables us to do things, and provide a degree of security for individuals. Traditional churches usually use these structures, house churches don’t. There are positives and negatives to each approach - one can get tied up in bureaucracy, but can also take advantage of the law in positive ways (ie by ensuring that I don’t get stung for the decisions I make in good faith); the other can be less bureaucratic and therefore more efficient in some ways, however it won’t necessarily have as big a voice in the media, or provide protection to community members from liability.
So I think our context has changed significantly, not only because of regulation, but also because of other changs like the advent of a global media and the internet. I also think that structure matters, and it matters in really complex ways.
Having grown up in a small, institutional church in the country, which is still THE most loving and genuine community I have been a part of, I am disturbed by your consistent suggestion that having a legal structure, having money, and meeting in traditional church buildings and “behind stained glass windows” is is INCOMPATIBLE with every believer taking responsibility for their own walk with God and the ministry to the community of believers.
I am uber-critical of what I see to be the culture that most Christians have been sucked into…I started writing more but I’m feeling too angry about it today to post my thoughts on these issues in a public place! However, I think that there is often a blurring of issues in these conversations: there is sometimes a suggestion that being a formal legal entity, having money in the bank, and having traditional church buildings is somehow incompatible with Costly Discipleship. It’s just not my experience that those things are mutually exclusive - just as it’s not my experience that having no money, no legal structure, and meeting in a cafe does not guarantee a healthy community in which everyone takes responsibility for themselves and each other.
April 11th, 2007 at 11:09 am
You have misread and mis interpreted what I said to such a fantastic degree that I cannot believe you have even read my post. I think you set yourself up as an antagonist to me for some reason, and I don’t get it.
I cannot address your post because it really makes no sense whatsover to me. You pick parts of what I say and apply them to other parts of what I say it really is a hatchet job. You quoted me in your first line and then didn’t even address what the quote said. At all. I really have no idea what the hell you are on about, but if you want to be mad at me go ahead you won’t be the first, or the last.
rev
April 11th, 2007 at 11:32 am
WHAT THE???
What the hell have I done to deserve that response? For heaven’s sake, I was just trying to ENGAGE. Yeah, I am mad - I’m mad as a hornet. You have a persecution complex when it comes to me.
Believe it or not, I like you, based on the few times we’ve met. I think you’re a lot of fun. I like how you think about things. I have said this elsewhere on this forum, and I don’t know how to make it any clearer without setting becoming founder and president of the John Jensen Fan Club.
You talk about community and yet at every turn you attack someone who is basically on about the same stuff as you. I don’t know why you’ve got such a bee in your bonnet about me, why you think I’m out to get you, but it’s really, really starting to p*** me off.
Now that I’ve got that out of my system - I’m really sorry that I’ve misread and misinterpreted you, and I’m sorry that my post doesn’t make sense to you. Perhaps you could explain exactly what doesn’t make sense, and I’ll try and do a better job?
April 11th, 2007 at 11:33 am
Oh - and rather than accusing me of doing a “hatchet job”, and misinterpreting you, did it ever occur to you that perhaps you’re not explaining yourself that well either??
April 11th, 2007 at 11:44 am
I’m logging out - the fact that I’m posting for a third time suggests that I need to do something else.
Rev, you need to get a grip. I have not set myself up as an antagonist to you (believe it or not, I have better things to do than antagonise someone I LIKE on a BLOG). I am truly baffled as to what I have done to deserve this kind of treatment - I think you’re behaving like a complete fruitcake, and I’m angry that you would treat me in this manner.
April 11th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
bec, if you want to talk about this send me and email johnj at forge dot org.au
or call me 0401 968 410
It is probably unfruitful to speak about this further on this blog.
However, if I am being that unclear to everyone else, just let me know and I will clarify what I see as a gross misrepresentation of what I said. I am not Homer, and I do understand that I may have done a poor job of explaining myself.
rev
April 11th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
Rev, I wouldn’t put your mobile on a blog, and frankly I’m upset enough not to feel like “talking” to you about this right now.
This is what I understand you as saying:
When you say “structure”, I immediately think “how we are organised”: I think of paid vs unpaid staff, incorporated entities vs unincorporated entities. I also understood you as saying that nothing has changed so much in the last 1000+ years so as to warrant a change in structure. I definitely disagree with this…aside from anything else, notions like incorporation, boards, insurance and liablity for occupational health and safety risks didn’t exist 1000+ years ago.
I understand you as saying that having a legal structure, and having money in the bank, and having a church building, is not a good thing.The “biblical” model of church - and therefore the only option for the Christian - is small, ad hoc, and fluid. Now, this may be completely misinterpreting you - and I’m sorry if that’s what I’m doing - but it’s not deliberate, and I have read your posts.
April 11th, 2007 at 1:19 pm
Bec, I said no much had changed from 100ad to 300 ad. In those 200 years not much changed. There was no industrial revolution, no enlightenment. The church was mainly urban centered, in mostly places that were under Romon rule. Yet even though nothing changed cuturally, the structure changed not when society changed, but rather when the church was wed with the empire. You, being as educated as you are, surely know that those with the most to protect are drawn into the power structures that can best protect them.
I also never said that keeping the church behind the stained glass windows had anything to do with sacrificial discipleship, it has to do with mission. When the church even in its institutional forms, does a much better job of loving one another than the general public (not always true) they should do it infront of and around others. In the warp and woof of society, for it is in our loving community that others see the reality of Gods work in our life.
As to institutions, I have no problem with institutions, I just have problems with the church being one. I have no problem with Urban Seed, or World Vision, and I support both of them. I think Urban Seed blurs things a bit, and I am quite impressed with how they do that. But the community of faith is the church, when structures and buildings get in the way ( which I suggest they always do) they are not needed, or necessary. That doesn’t mean institutional churches do nothing right, it means their structures get in the way, and they are doing well inspite of the structures, not because of them.
If every Christian learned about their responsibility to the poor, and the marginalized, and took it seriously, there would be no need for urban seed. I believe that these institutions often cater to the consumeristic desires of our culture. It goes like this:
I am a Christian, so I should go to church. I don’t have much time because I am working so much, have some kids, and friends, and recreational activities that I like. So lets find a church that makes me feel better, shares the bible in a way that is entertaining and exciting and motivational, has a great band, and full of people that I like. And ofcourse I feel like I should help out with that so I will just give money to support this infrastructure. And ofcourse I really think I should help the poor too, so maybe I will give some money to world vision and donate an hour of my time at the soup kitchen. But if I want to give more I may need to work a few more hours. Ect. So what these institutions wind up doing is actually encouraging others to buy their bible study, to buy their help for the poor, and even to purchase their feeling of raising their children in their faith. I think the essence of our faith, which is “the Spirit lives within me, and you, and calls us to live in that community of faith that the trinity exists within”, get short cut.
You are requiring me to go much deeper, which is difficult to do in this format, but what I am trying to say is that the very nature of who we are can often get sidetracked by what seems to be pragmatism. But too often works not only against us being empowered as God’s children, but also works against our succesful accomplishing of our goals. It allows people to say, “well I am not called to live like Marcus Curnow, I am called to live like Peter Yuppie, but I will take part in what Marcus is doing by throwing him a few bucks”
Now my suggestion is that the structures by their very nature push us to this, it is not always the case, infact this is an exageration in order to make my point. We often can wind up being far more balanced in the midst of this, and often people that go to big mega churches wind up being foster parents, housing homeless people or caring for mentally ill people. But this is inspite of the structures, not because of them.
And in the structures I advocate, you can have people that behave just as wrongly. But a friend flat out told me, “John, I wouldn’t want to go to your church, because that would require too much from me, I wouldn’t be able to get away with things if I lived in that kind of community, I like being less transparent” This is what I am talking about.
Also, the idea of the payed professional priesthood bothers me as well. Christian leadership should be based on integrity, giftedness, and servant heart, not education and political savy. And how does our structure lead to integrity, when most of the time you have to tow the party line, or make the congregation happy to keep your job, which is the way you feed your family.
Again Bec, in my opinion what you have done is taken different arguements, and put them in improper order and attacked a puzzle that was reconfigured incorrectly.
As to the personal issues between us, we can work those out when you cooled down, and off the forum.
rev
April 11th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
You misread revs time periods Bec - rev seemed pretty clear to me - But then I am an undiagnosed ADHD sufferer! - You guys certainly have some heat in your communicatoins - both of you do seem to go at it with each other when you “engage” individually you both say extremely wise things (except gfor you Bec ‘cuase you’;re only youing and tgherefore unabel to say anything wise - so really it;s only rev that is wise - but he’s a yank and nothing good ever came out of the USA…) and indeed you have both said good stuff in your posts, however the more you discuss things the more likely it becomes that one of you misinterprets the other.
What is it in rev that get’s you going Bec and vice versa rev?
April 11th, 2007 at 1:59 pm
Not an appropriate topic of discussion on a public board in my opinion.
So here goes…
rev
April 11th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
hey knuckle head - hows life?
April 11th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Good mate, really busy, things are progressing rapidly right now. Some fund raising issues, and some other issues, but life is very rewarding. Am crook right now hence spending the last two days on here to much.
How are you? When you gonna fly me up as the Christian celebrity I so long to be?
rev
April 11th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
My post got lost.
Greg, yes I realised I misread it - call it inadequate multi-tasking.
Nothing in Rev ‘gets me going’, aside from his ’snapping’ at me…I honestly don’t know why it is he thinks I’m out to get him…
April 11th, 2007 at 2:14 pm
huh…working now…
Signposts swallowed one of my posts!!
April 11th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
As soon as I get a najor sponsor and a lear jet
April 11th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Hey greg can you come and speak at my next church meeting? I’ll provide accomodation, a landing strip to park your jet, and a generous love offering from the congregation. But you must be funny and charismatic. ok?