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	<title>Comments on: Wolfgang Simpson</title>
	<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/</link>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160601</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 23:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160601</guid>
		<description>from Bill Kinnon at Achievalble ends http://www.kinnon.tv/2007/03/the_people_form.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;Let me introduce you to The People formerly known as The Congregation. There are millions of us. 

We are people - flesh and blood - image bearers of the Creator - eikons, if you will. We are not numbers. 

We are the eikons who once sat in the uncomfortable pews or plush theatre seating of your preaching venues. We sat passively while you proof-texted your way through 3, 4, 5 or no point sermons - attempting to tell us how you and your reading of The Bible had a plan for our lives. Perhaps God does have a plan for us - it just doesn't seem to jive with yours. 

Money was a great concern. And, for a moment, we believed you when you told us God would reward us for our tithes - or curse us if we didn't. The Law is just so much easier to preach than Grace. My goodness, if you told us that the 1st century church held everything in common - you might be accused of being a socialist - and of course, capitalism is a direct gift from God. Please further note: Malachi 3 is speaking to the priests of Israel. They weren't the cheerful givers God speaks of loving. 

We grew weary from your Edifice Complex pathologies - building projects more important than the people in your neighbourhood...or in your pews. It wasn't God telling you to "enlarge the place of your tent" - it was your ego. And, by the way, a multi-million dollar, state of the art building is hardly a tent. 

We no longer buy your call to be "fastest growing" church in wherever. That is your need. You want a bigger audience. We won't be part of one. 

Our ears are still ringing from the volume, but...Jesus is not our boyfriend - and we will no longer sing your silly love songs that suggest He is. Happy clappy tunes bear no witness to the reality of the world we live in, the powers and principalities we confront, or are worthy of the one we proclaim King of Kings and Lord of Lords. 

You offered us a myriad of programs to join - volunteer positions to assuage our desire to be connected. We could be greeters, parking lot attendants, coffee baristas, book store helpers, children's ministry workers, media ministry drones - whatever you needed to fulfill your dreams of corporate glory. Perhaps you've noticed, we aren't there anymore. 

We are The People formerly known as The Congregation. We have not stopped loving the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Nor do we avoid "the assembling of the saints." We just don't assemble under your supposed leadership. We meet in coffee shops, around dinner tables, in the parks and on the streets. We connect virtually across space and time - engaged in generative conversations - teaching and being taught. 

We live amongst our neighbours, in their homes and they in ours. We laugh and cry and really live - without the need to have you teach us how - by reading your ridiculous books or listening to your supercilious CDs or podcasts. 

We don't deny Paul's description of APEPT leadership - Ephesians 4:11. We just see it in the light of Jesus' teaching in Mark 10 and Matthew 20 - servant leadership. We truly long for the release of servant leading men and women into our gifts as apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. We believe in Peter's words that describe us all as priests. Not just some, not just one gender. 

We are The People formerly known as The Congregation. We do not hate you. Though some of us bear the wounds you have inflicted. Many of you are our brothers and our sisters, misguided by the systems you inhabit, intoxicated by the power - yet still members of our family. (Though some are truly wolves in sheep's clothing.) 

And, as The People formerly known as The Congregation, we invite you to join us on this great adventure. To boldly go where the Spirit leads us. To marvel at what the Father is doing in the communities where He has placed us. To live the love that Jesus shows us. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from Bill Kinnon at Achievalble ends <a href="http://www.kinnon.tv/2007/03/the_people_form.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.kinnon.tv/2007/03/the_people_form.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Let me introduce you to The People formerly known as The Congregation. There are millions of us. </p>
<p>We are people - flesh and blood - image bearers of the Creator - eikons, if you will. We are not numbers. </p>
<p>We are the eikons who once sat in the uncomfortable pews or plush theatre seating of your preaching venues. We sat passively while you proof-texted your way through 3, 4, 5 or no point sermons - attempting to tell us how you and your reading of The Bible had a plan for our lives. Perhaps God does have a plan for us - it just doesn&#8217;t seem to jive with yours. </p>
<p>Money was a great concern. And, for a moment, we believed you when you told us God would reward us for our tithes - or curse us if we didn&#8217;t. The Law is just so much easier to preach than Grace. My goodness, if you told us that the 1st century church held everything in common - you might be accused of being a socialist - and of course, capitalism is a direct gift from God. Please further note: Malachi 3 is speaking to the priests of Israel. They weren&#8217;t the cheerful givers God speaks of loving. </p>
<p>We grew weary from your Edifice Complex pathologies - building projects more important than the people in your neighbourhood&#8230;or in your pews. It wasn&#8217;t God telling you to &#8220;enlarge the place of your tent&#8221; - it was your ego. And, by the way, a multi-million dollar, state of the art building is hardly a tent. </p>
<p>We no longer buy your call to be &#8220;fastest growing&#8221; church in wherever. That is your need. You want a bigger audience. We won&#8217;t be part of one. </p>
<p>Our ears are still ringing from the volume, but&#8230;Jesus is not our boyfriend - and we will no longer sing your silly love songs that suggest He is. Happy clappy tunes bear no witness to the reality of the world we live in, the powers and principalities we confront, or are worthy of the one we proclaim King of Kings and Lord of Lords. </p>
<p>You offered us a myriad of programs to join - volunteer positions to assuage our desire to be connected. We could be greeters, parking lot attendants, coffee baristas, book store helpers, children&#8217;s ministry workers, media ministry drones - whatever you needed to fulfill your dreams of corporate glory. Perhaps you&#8217;ve noticed, we aren&#8217;t there anymore. </p>
<p>We are The People formerly known as The Congregation. We have not stopped loving the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Nor do we avoid &#8220;the assembling of the saints.&#8221; We just don&#8217;t assemble under your supposed leadership. We meet in coffee shops, around dinner tables, in the parks and on the streets. We connect virtually across space and time - engaged in generative conversations - teaching and being taught. </p>
<p>We live amongst our neighbours, in their homes and they in ours. We laugh and cry and really live - without the need to have you teach us how - by reading your ridiculous books or listening to your supercilious CDs or podcasts. </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t deny Paul&#8217;s description of APEPT leadership - Ephesians 4:11. We just see it in the light of Jesus&#8217; teaching in Mark 10 and Matthew 20 - servant leadership. We truly long for the release of servant leading men and women into our gifts as apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers. We believe in Peter&#8217;s words that describe us all as priests. Not just some, not just one gender. </p>
<p>We are The People formerly known as The Congregation. We do not hate you. Though some of us bear the wounds you have inflicted. Many of you are our brothers and our sisters, misguided by the systems you inhabit, intoxicated by the power - yet still members of our family. (Though some are truly wolves in sheep&#8217;s clothing.) </p>
<p>And, as The People formerly known as The Congregation, we invite you to join us on this great adventure. To boldly go where the Spirit leads us. To marvel at what the Father is doing in the communities where He has placed us. To live the love that Jesus shows us.
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		<title>By: bec</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160559</link>
		<dc:creator>bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160559</guid>
		<description>*ROFLMAO*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*ROFLMAO*</p>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160558</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160558</guid>
		<description>I can be all those things as well as goodlooking and manipulative.  I ahve certain expectations as to the size of the love offering, but we can talk about that and [perha[ps round it up to the closest 10 thousand!

My favourite topics to talk about are: 
Giving till it hurts you and your family but blesses me and mine.
God and your stupid songs
I'm ok and you're kinda silly
I've got a lear jet - how has GOd blessed you lately?
Leprosy - only sinners get it
I need more money...but I don't want to work for it

Pick one and we'll work from there</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can be all those things as well as goodlooking and manipulative.  I ahve certain expectations as to the size of the love offering, but we can talk about that and [perha[ps round it up to the closest 10 thousand!</p>
<p>My favourite topics to talk about are:<br />
Giving till it hurts you and your family but blesses me and mine.<br />
God and your stupid songs<br />
I&#8217;m ok and you&#8217;re kinda silly<br />
I&#8217;ve got a lear jet - how has GOd blessed you lately?<br />
Leprosy - only sinners get it<br />
I need more money&#8230;but I don&#8217;t want to work for it</p>
<p>Pick one and we&#8217;ll work from there</p>
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		<title>By: bec</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160555</link>
		<dc:creator>bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160555</guid>
		<description>clearly you're multi-tasking too :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>clearly you&#8217;re multi-tasking too <img src='http://www.signposts.org.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: emblazoned</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160554</link>
		<dc:creator>emblazoned</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160554</guid>
		<description>Hey greg can you come and speak at my next church meeting? I'll provide accomodation, a landing strip to park your jet, and a generous love offering from the congregation. But you must be funny and charismatic. ok?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey greg can you come and speak at my next church meeting? I&#8217;ll provide accomodation, a landing strip to park your jet, and a generous love offering from the congregation. But you must be funny and charismatic. ok?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160553</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160553</guid>
		<description>As soon as I get a najor sponsor and a lear jet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As soon as I get a najor sponsor and a lear jet</p>
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		<title>By: bec</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160548</link>
		<dc:creator>bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160548</guid>
		<description>huh...working now...

Signposts swallowed one of my posts!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huh&#8230;working now&#8230;</p>
<p>Signposts swallowed one of my posts!!</p>
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		<title>By: bec</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160547</link>
		<dc:creator>bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160547</guid>
		<description>My post got lost. :(

Greg, yes I realised I misread it - call it inadequate multi-tasking. :)

Nothing in Rev 'gets me going', aside from his 'snapping' at me...I honestly don't know why it is he thinks I'm out to get him...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My post got lost. <img src='http://www.signposts.org.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Greg, yes I realised I misread it - call it inadequate multi-tasking. <img src='http://www.signposts.org.au/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Nothing in Rev &#8216;gets me going&#8217;, aside from his &#8217;snapping&#8217; at me&#8230;I honestly don&#8217;t know why it is he thinks I&#8217;m out to get him&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: the rev</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160546</link>
		<dc:creator>the rev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160546</guid>
		<description>Good mate, really busy, things are progressing rapidly right now.  Some fund raising issues, and some other issues, but life is very rewarding.  Am crook right now hence spending the last two days on here to much.

How are you?  When you gonna fly me up as the Christian celebrity I so long to be?

rev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good mate, really busy, things are progressing rapidly right now.  Some fund raising issues, and some other issues, but life is very rewarding.  Am crook right now hence spending the last two days on here to much.</p>
<p>How are you?  When you gonna fly me up as the Christian celebrity I so long to be?</p>
<p>rev</p>
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		<title>By: Greg the explorer</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160545</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg the explorer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 04:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/04/05/wolfgang-simpson/#comment-160545</guid>
		<description>hey knuckle head - hows life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey knuckle head - hows life?</p>
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