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	<title>Comments on: a different kind of leadership</title>
	<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/</link>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/#comment-173180</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 22:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops that last comment was from me Phil on Dan's computer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops that last comment was from me Phil on Dan&#8217;s computer</p>
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		<title>By: dan</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/#comment-173143</link>
		<dc:creator>dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/#comment-173143</guid>
		<description>what is mine is to be used as mine - lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what is mine is to be used as mine - lol</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Joseph</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/#comment-173142</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jul 2007 08:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/#comment-173142</guid>
		<description>Way to use Signposts as your own personal scrap book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Way to use Signposts as your own personal scrap book!</p>
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		<title>By: ecognito</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/#comment-173011</link>
		<dc:creator>ecognito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/#comment-173011</guid>
		<description>I got a similar vibe as Warren on this.  Admittedly I'm a "technician", but why is there an assumption that technicians and accountants don't want to be agents of love in the church?  Or outside it in the community for that matter?

Just because Mr. Kallam was in a church full of people who don't want to change, must he narrowly label them as managers and accounts, denigrating a large proportion of people, not to mention professions that are important in our society (even if many of the practitioners themselves could use improvement)?

As with most things worthwhile in society, it takes a range of people with a range of different skill sets to pull it off.  Too many dreamers with their heads in the clouds and you'll have a small group of people feeling really happy about their small group, never actually accomplish anything of lasting value, and who should probably get off the kool-aid and switch to decaffeinated.  Too many ultra-practical people and you'll have the best run group you've ever seen, who never actually accomplish anything of lasting value, and could probably try a Red Bull at least once in their lives.

The hardest jobs are finding the right balance, being brutally honest with yourself when something is not working, and accepting of the fact that not everybody ticks the same way you do, and this is a good thing, even if it is damn frustrating at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got a similar vibe as Warren on this.  Admittedly I&#8217;m a &#8220;technician&#8221;, but why is there an assumption that technicians and accountants don&#8217;t want to be agents of love in the church?  Or outside it in the community for that matter?</p>
<p>Just because Mr. Kallam was in a church full of people who don&#8217;t want to change, must he narrowly label them as managers and accounts, denigrating a large proportion of people, not to mention professions that are important in our society (even if many of the practitioners themselves could use improvement)?</p>
<p>As with most things worthwhile in society, it takes a range of people with a range of different skill sets to pull it off.  Too many dreamers with their heads in the clouds and you&#8217;ll have a small group of people feeling really happy about their small group, never actually accomplish anything of lasting value, and who should probably get off the kool-aid and switch to decaffeinated.  Too many ultra-practical people and you&#8217;ll have the best run group you&#8217;ve ever seen, who never actually accomplish anything of lasting value, and could probably try a Red Bull at least once in their lives.</p>
<p>The hardest jobs are finding the right balance, being brutally honest with yourself when something is not working, and accepting of the fact that not everybody ticks the same way you do, and this is a good thing, even if it is damn frustrating at times.</p>
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		<title>By: warren terra</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/#comment-172930</link>
		<dc:creator>warren terra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 04:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/#comment-172930</guid>
		<description>I read this and got a different message.  This guy has a very traditional hierarchical view of leadership - "I want ...", "I want ...", "I dont want", "My engineers".  The engineers and accountants belong to him and they must do what he wants, because he has the position of leader.

While staying in that mold he is trying to tinker around the edges, with the "atmosphere".  Obviously although you can have church programs without love, its very hard to have love without some type of church program.  Whether its preaching, praying, singing, coffee or statues and stained-glass, you have to have something to draw people together and that means some type of program.

The only way you can "lead" as agents of love is to lead by example.  It cant be done from the top down, its the servant leadership that everyone talks about.  And if you are doing that would you be driving people nuts?  Maybe.  Sometimes.  But you probably wouldn't be writing books about driving people nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this and got a different message.  This guy has a very traditional hierarchical view of leadership - &#8220;I want &#8230;&#8221;, &#8220;I want &#8230;&#8221;, &#8220;I dont want&#8221;, &#8220;My engineers&#8221;.  The engineers and accountants belong to him and they must do what he wants, because he has the position of leader.</p>
<p>While staying in that mold he is trying to tinker around the edges, with the &#8220;atmosphere&#8221;.  Obviously although you can have church programs without love, its very hard to have love without some type of church program.  Whether its preaching, praying, singing, coffee or statues and stained-glass, you have to have something to draw people together and that means some type of program.</p>
<p>The only way you can &#8220;lead&#8221; as agents of love is to lead by example.  It cant be done from the top down, its the servant leadership that everyone talks about.  And if you are doing that would you be driving people nuts?  Maybe.  Sometimes.  But you probably wouldn&#8217;t be writing books about driving people nuts.</p>
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		<title>By: akevin</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/#comment-172798</link>
		<dc:creator>akevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/06/a-different-kind-of-leadership/#comment-172798</guid>
		<description>exactly...  The technicians and the people who are used to technician run churches seem to have a problem with atmosphere over production.  Make that atmosphere that has nothing to do with productions.  Most churches are savvy enough to have a "move of god' wihtout god moving.  

Lights! Camera! Action!  .. the SHOW MUST GO ON!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly&#8230;  The technicians and the people who are used to technician run churches seem to have a problem with atmosphere over production.  Make that atmosphere that has nothing to do with productions.  Most churches are savvy enough to have a &#8220;move of god&#8217; wihtout god moving.  </p>
<p>Lights! Camera! Action!  .. the SHOW MUST GO ON!!!</p>
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