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	<title>Comments on: hubba bubba</title>
	<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/</link>
	<description>musings from those on the journey</description>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176181</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176181</guid>
		<description>"God grant me the understanding of when I need to think logically,
The capacity to follow my heart in childlike faith when required,
And the wisdom to know the difference." 

Or something like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;God grant me the understanding of when I need to think logically,<br />
The capacity to follow my heart in childlike faith when required,<br />
And the wisdom to know the difference.&#8221; </p>
<p>Or something like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176179</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 07:16:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176179</guid>
		<description>I can live with "outside of logic"

There are some areas of life that are outside of logic... like falling in love, or the mystery of God in Christ...

There are some areas of life that are dependent on various forms of logic... like statistics or scientific research or analysis or philosophy.

Then there's all the grey areas that cause endless disputes on Signposts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can live with &#8220;outside of logic&#8221;</p>
<p>There are some areas of life that are outside of logic&#8230; like falling in love, or the mystery of God in Christ&#8230;</p>
<p>There are some areas of life that are dependent on various forms of logic&#8230; like statistics or scientific research or analysis or philosophy.</p>
<p>Then there&#8217;s all the grey areas that cause endless disputes on Signposts.</p>
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		<title>By: abtruth</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176173</link>
		<dc:creator>abtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176173</guid>
		<description>Janet Rev et al .. 

the freewill choice of God to love someone is not in a category to be judjed illogical or logical.. so i think the word 'transcend' places connotations on the concept that it shouldn't .. i think the concept that God loves us is 'outside of logic' could help ease confusion .. what do you think???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Janet Rev et al .. </p>
<p>the freewill choice of God to love someone is not in a category to be judjed illogical or logical.. so i think the word &#8216;transcend&#8217; places connotations on the concept that it shouldn&#8217;t .. i think the concept that God loves us is &#8216;outside of logic&#8217; could help ease confusion .. what do you think???</p>
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		<title>By: wazza</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176164</link>
		<dc:creator>wazza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176164</guid>
		<description>Thanks Janet</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Janet</p>
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		<title>By: Janet</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176162</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 06:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176162</guid>
		<description>Or if we say “God loves you” does that transcend logic?

Probably.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or if we say “God loves you” does that transcend logic?</p>
<p>Probably.</p>
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		<title>By: abtruth</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176090</link>
		<dc:creator>abtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176090</guid>
		<description>no worries rev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no worries rev</p>
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		<title>By: the rev</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176086</link>
		<dc:creator>the rev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 01:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176086</guid>
		<description>Well I didn't mean to intimidate.  Looks like you and I aren't going to see eye to eye on this one abtruth, and ofcourse I think you are wrong.  And you think that I am wrong.  If it makes you feel any better, I don't think we are both right, though we probably are both wrong.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I didn&#8217;t mean to intimidate.  Looks like you and I aren&#8217;t going to see eye to eye on this one abtruth, and ofcourse I think you are wrong.  And you think that I am wrong.  If it makes you feel any better, I don&#8217;t think we are both right, though we probably are both wrong.</p>
<p>rev</p>
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		<title>By: abtruth</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176083</link>
		<dc:creator>abtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176083</guid>
		<description>truth also has to be coherent and correspond with reality.

btw. saying 'look mate' can come over as though you are trying to intimidate

David - what strawman arguments did you find?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>truth also has to be coherent and correspond with reality.</p>
<p>btw. saying &#8216;look mate&#8217; can come over as though you are trying to intimidate</p>
<p>David - what strawman arguments did you find?</p>
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		<title>By: abtruth</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176080</link>
		<dc:creator>abtruth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176080</guid>
		<description>there is no truth &lt;i&gt;in&lt;/i&gt; logic at all, but truth can be found through logic and truth has to comply with logic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is no truth <i>in</i> logic at all, but truth can be found through logic and truth has to comply with logic</p>
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		<title>By: the rev</title>
		<link>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176075</link>
		<dc:creator>the rev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 00:28:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.signposts.org.au/2007/07/23/hubba-bubba/#comment-176075</guid>
		<description>Look mate, I am not going to justify what I didn't say, nor what I do not agree with.  Postmodernism is not well defined, and has much room in its belief structures.  I do believe that there is much truth in the postmodern position, but the Truth is to be found only in the person of Jesus, not in anything else.  Not in logic, not in subjectivism, not in relativity, or objectivism.  I do believe that the postmodern ideas, when taken in a balanced view offer us opportunities to see the world in a more natural and relational way, to make us properly suspect of our ability to communicate completely, and to focus on those things that are truly important to God, love, justice, mercy, hope and faith.

rev</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look mate, I am not going to justify what I didn&#8217;t say, nor what I do not agree with.  Postmodernism is not well defined, and has much room in its belief structures.  I do believe that there is much truth in the postmodern position, but the Truth is to be found only in the person of Jesus, not in anything else.  Not in logic, not in subjectivism, not in relativity, or objectivism.  I do believe that the postmodern ideas, when taken in a balanced view offer us opportunities to see the world in a more natural and relational way, to make us properly suspect of our ability to communicate completely, and to focus on those things that are truly important to God, love, justice, mercy, hope and faith.</p>
<p>rev</p>
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